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I will start my debate with this. I will not be back to do more until Monday.

Have you ever read Heb. one? You need to study this chapter. Now Thomas had received a revelation from the Father just as Peter received a revelation from the Father. Jesus told Peter flesh and blood [which he was] did not reveal this to you, but my Father which is in Heaven.

Do you really think Jesus was calling himself , My Father? My --shows possession does it not? Is Jesus saying I am my own Father? My self is my Father? Foolishness.

Jesus had asked Peter, who do you say that I am. What did Peter answer? Do you know? Any of you?

Did Peter say, you are God? Nope. Why not, if this is the true foundation for our belief? Peter said you are the Son of God. Jesus verified that this was a true revelation from His Father.

Now, Thomas has received a revelation from the Father concerning the fact that AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL, IMMORTAL LIFE, NEW BIRTH LIFE, NOW GOD THE FATHER [ A SPIRIT] REWARDS JESUS FOR HIS PERFECT OBEDIENCE TO GOD, AND HIS DEATH AND GOING INTO HELL FIRE TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD........

GOD THE ONLY GOD, THE FATHER ....OF...OUR LORD JESUS, sets Jesus up on the throne of God, to be worshipped as God with God. Ever hear this?

Read Heb. 1:

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Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

God spoke by His Son. God appointed His Son heir of all things......

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

This says that God made Jesus much higher than angels. Before his death he was lower than the angels....for the suffering of death.

Now v.8--this is where it was fulfilled what Jesus said, ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME. ......given to me.......given by whom? why was it given to him? If he already were God, why and who gave this power to him? Now you do believe what Jesus said, don't you?

Jesus said, ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH.....IS.......GIVEN.......TO ME. By whom?

By God. By His God. By His Father. Do you believe that Jesus has a God? If not, you must call lots of Scriptures a lie. IT MENTIONS THE GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS IN LOTS OF PLACES.

Jesus called him, My God, My God on that cross. Who was he speaking to ?

Now go back and read where God told the angels of God to worship his Son. He told us to worship Jesus now as God. So that is the revelation Thomas received........that now........after his glorification into the image of God......Jesus has been raised up to be God with the God kingdom.......God set Jesus up as God and told us to worship and honour HIS SON EVEN AS WE HONOUR AND WORSHIP HIM.

That is how and why Isa. 9:6 declares that the only begotten Son, which is the RESURRECTED CHIRST, is our everlasting Father. This will never end. Jesus is our Father.........but God is Jesus' Father.

Sent: 2/27/2004 10:36 AM

Immortality is the GLORY.

Luke 14: 26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Now this verse proves that Jesus suffered BEFORE he entered into his GLORY. So it proves he did not have the GLORY before his resurrection. So the Word and made into FLESH which had GLORY. This is the resurrected Son of God.

John 14

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

( This is only a portion of a full message. I will post the entire message as a new thread, if you wish. It fully answers this question. So what do you say it means? How is Jesus the End? What was he the END of? what was he the beginning of? Ever search this answer out?)

Jake, I wish to take each of your above statements and deal with them separately, but not on this thread. If it is alright with you, I would like to keep these debates all on one side of the thread. by that I mean, do not run the messages over into another page, because most people will never go back and read them all.

This subject is toooo important to miss any of the discussions.

Therefore, I will take what you have said and start another thread with my answers.

I will take one of them here on this post.

No, I am not a Neo-Feminist, whatever that might mean. I have told you this before. So please refrain from making wild statements against me. it will not help our debate.

Do you really desire to know the truth?

If so, please just stick to using the Word of God. Do not jump to so quick a judgment of what I am teaching. slow down and give me a chance to explain. it takes much time to get to all of this. You cannot 'unlearn' all your past ideas, and learn so much new truth in just a day or two.

It has taken me over 50 years of much studying and praying for truth, to come to all of this. Believe me, God taught me everything I now know. I can prove it all with pure KJV Scripture.

Try to answer all my questions with pure KJV Scripture. It will reveal to you that what you now think is not truth at all.

Jesus is our Father, that is true. But it is also true that God is his Father. God is the God of Jesus. God has no Father or mother. Jesus had both.

Jesus is human and is therefore our Father in the spirit. Jesus is the one who begets us to God, by placing his own Spirit, the Holy Ghost, into us.

But God is the one who gave the Holy Ghost to Jesus. Acts 10.

God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and power.

Now can you give a truthful answer to that?

I told you, in Christ there is neither male nor female. You are still going to the flesh, or body. You must go to the Spirit, if you are to ever understand spiritual things and TRUTH.

No, Jesus did not require animal sacrifices. give me time and I will show you.

I am not spamming your baord. How is posting Scripture spamming?

Where did God ever acknowledge two wives? what are you speaking of? God never said a man could have two wives. Never. It is of the flesh. it is not of God.

I am not disguested with you. I am only trying to show you the truth of Scripture.

But you must be willing to let God show you.

Now, you need to learn that the word ......Lord..is not the same word as LORD. You need to learn that Thomas only called Jesus MY Lord and My God, and that AFTER his resurrection into glorification.

Now at the glorification, at the time of his resurrection, is the first time Jesus was in the form of God. Before that, he was in the image, or form of SINFUL MAN. Romans 8.

Now when Jesus was made in the form of God, and made equal with God was after Jesus was resurrected and ascended into Heaven. There God transfered all the same power and authority of God into the hands of Jesus, thus making him the same as the Almighty.

God had no beginning or ending. Jesus was not God. The beginning is speaking of the beginning of the new world, Grace. The ending is speaking of the ending of the old world, law.

God is not the beginning or ending. Jesus is. You will never know truth for you have none of these truths, you are not on the true foundation, upon which all other truth depends.

No Scripture says that Jesus was given the Spirit of God at conception. You made that up, or rather quote someone else, who made it up. No, The Word declares that Jesus received the Spirit when John Baptized him.

Now if Jesus had been God, then it would not be correct to say God was in him. Sure God was in him, but he is also in me.

Now you need to learn who the SERVANT of God is--spoken of in Isa 42 and many other verses.

It was Jesus. Jesus came as a servant to God. He did not come as God. Jesus was elevated to the status of being our God, by God himself. Heb. one/

Now you need to learn that the word ONE is not referring to numbers, or how many.

Have you ever one time taken the time to study? to look up the meaning of the Word One? I doubt it.

You have never dealt with the verse saying WE ARE ALL ONE.

Now until you can deal with this, you need to go study, not try to teach.

Joie

well, hello again.

Proved you CANNOT take any truth! I knew you could not take the pure word much longer.

Post it to the world. No one here is seeking any truth, for when it is put in your faces, you reject it and run and can do nothing but spew out evil, ugly name calling.

But see, you could not keep me out if you wished to do so.

but do not fear, I will not stay. Had not intended to come back before, but you had to goad me into it.

I have no desire to deal with such evil speaking dogs. Knew you could not discuss Scripture. You have none to deal with. that is really what you hate, not me. You hate it that I have pure Scripture to teach, and you have none.

So now. Slander me on and on. but you proved you cannot take any truth. You are sons of Satan.

Satan is a MALE you know. he is not a female.

Jesus is the seed of the WOMAN, EVE, you know.

So hate her on, too. Jesus put down the men from their SEATS, (means place of rulership, you know,) and EXHALTED them of low degree, (means the trodden down WOMEN, you know).

So go fight with HIM. He did it.

He sent a flood because of men taking more than one wife, you know.

No Sons of God existed since then, until Jesus came, preaching that it must go back to the beginning, of the WIFE being the one and only one.

Wife of youth = wife of the Covenant. Mal.

What Covenant? Grace. The one you father, old Satan Adam threw away.

So no one is in Grace who has two.

And don't forget, Jesus called it FIVE HUSBANDS.

sO YOU Ladies, go get yourselves five husbands.

After all, Jesus did not rebuke her for having FIVE HUSBANDS.

Watch out. Here comes the foaming-at-the-mouth, mad dogs!

By, by. enjoy yourselves. Hell awaits you at the end of the way. You have rejected the Grace Covenant, for the dead old law covenant.

and you wish to teach others to do the same. bad, bad, bad you.

FREEBORN

Don't forget, Jesus said she had FIVE HUSBANDS.

So ladies, go get yourselves five husbands. Jesus did not rebuke her for her five husbands. that is KJV you know. and even greater, it comes under the New Testament.

p.s. Notice how they shoved all my Scripture-full messages aside and forget them, to carry on with their foolish, man-made junk.

Remember me? This is Tweety! Yes I am here. I was reading this debate between you and Freeborn. We talk on the phone almost everyday. I do love her so.

Wanna keep going with this debate? Well here is my answer. Jesus IS NOT GOD THE FATHER.

Praise Jesus, the Only Wise God.

How could I possibly forget you, Tweety? You are that contemptuous woman who denies that JESUS is GOD.The holy scripture has already proven that Jesus is indeed the Father and my debates concerning this issue have never once lost any integrity with respect to the presence of the notorious FreeFilth555 and all her satanic blasphemy.

I discontinued all discussion with your friend, the witch, calling herself "Freeborn", because of her continued insistance to resort to the use of blasphemy and satanic Gnostic doctrine in a vain effort to support her spurious claims. Of course she denies her close relationship with you eventhough I found evidence of it written all throughout her work �?even to the extent that I was moved to suggest that the two of you were likely one in the same person. Now it becomes evident that you are one in the same spirit. Of course this does not nearly surprise me.

I realize that you do not believe that JESUS is GOD, very GOD. That you insist on rejecting the Everlasting Father strikes me as adequate reason that debating the matter with you will only be a fruitless waste of time because you do not love GOD. You hate GOD and all that HE stands for because HE is a MAN and you are a misandrist.

I believe that everything written in the scripture is true. You do not. That tells me that any debate with you would be ceaseless and futile. You console yourself in your customized cafeteria christianity as befits most hypocrites like yourself, selecting and rejecting whatever you pick and choose to support your satanic claims, only to cast it aside when it no longer suits your directive, even as the self-right Puritans do.

All of you and your ilke so vacilate in your indecision, as all women in the flesh are notorious for doing, while you desparately flounder and clutch at half-truths to insist that my GOD is actually a woman who keeps changing her mind as it suits her. You project. You are in the flesh. You don't know GOD because you don't know JESUS.

My Goodness! Such an attitude from a man that claims he loves God and Jesus. Where do you get such an attitude? Would Jesus, that you claim to love and follow have such an attitude like you have demonstrated? Yes me and Freeborn are friends. But we don't think alike. It is good that you read the Bible. Can I ask you when did Jesus become God? Now, I do believe in a pre-incarnate state of Jesus.

Something Freeborn says she can not be proven with scripture. Me and her believe that the Father is separate from the son. That can be clearly seen in scripture. And I am quite sure that you have seen it too. That is if in fact you do read the Bible.

Now, you know I read from Dake. And Dake does have an extensive discussion on Jesus NOT being the FATHER. So if you ever want to get into a real debate-you just let me know. Oh-Freeborn is NOT a witch. NOR is she into that Gnostic stuff. NOR do we worship Satan. Sometimes I wonder with all I have seen if in fact many Oneness people are in fact blinded by Satan. But in reality have come to the conclusion that you and others have been brainwashed by some man named BENARD. It also sounds to me from your posting that you have had very bad experiences with women. Just because some have treated you unfairly-does not mean that I will. You have got me all wrong. So like I said before, if you ever want a real debate. Let me know. I'll be praying for you.

Have a blessed night.

Please, Tweety, don't be a twit. We are no strangers to eachother. Go tell your friends I'm not Fred and see if they'll even bother to listen to you. You sound so much like a certain Pecksniffian Puritan I once knew back in the day: "Where is the looove???" �?Where are your brains? Let's see now... Would JESUS ever resort to name calling? Well, He called the Pharisees, the lawyers, the politicians, and the publicans all sorts of things. Would you like me to list those for you? He went into a Church and chased everyone out of the Bingo game currently in progress and resorted to acts of physical violence and willful damage to property and also used a weapon that He personally designed for the purpose. What an attitude! [Where do you get such an attitude? Would Jesus, that you claim to love and follow have such an attitude like you have demonstrated?]

Like all neofeminist witches, you and Freeborn are in league together with the Devil, being used of Satan, changing the truth of God into a lie and rejecting the true doctrine that was once delivered unto the Saints of the Most High GOD. I won't mince words with you here, daughter of Eve, you need to repent and get saved in the name of JESUS and you need to embrace your proper humility as a woman before GOD. The good thing about a house divided against itself is that it cannot stand before GOD. That is also why you and the FreeFilth555 cannot stand together eventhough you claim to be friends, despite the fact that the both of you are busy about the Devil's business. Good Cop/Bad Cop is an old game. The truth is, they both stink to high heaven and neither one is good. Most of what your friend declares cannot be proven with scripture. Satan quotes scripture also so what is your point? I don't believe for one minute that the Father is separate from the Son. Where is the scripture using this word of yours "SEPARATE"? Where is it written? In the Gospel according to Dake?

JESUS was always GOD. Put away your snares. They are futile here. GOD didn't suddenly "become" JESUS. JESUS is the Alpha and the Omega. JESUS is the ALMIGHTY ONE and the LIVING WORD. The fact that you keep tripping and stumbling before the ROCK OF OFFENSE changes nothing. JESUS is GOD, very GOD.

First you acknowledge that I read the Bible and then you imply that I do not read it. Make up my mind, woman, which is it? This is so very typical of your gender after the flesh: You vacilate, ever turning and never ever coming to the knowledge of the truth.Yep. I know you read from Dake. That's your problem: You embrace the words of liars, just like your friend, the Gnositc witch. Obviously you have not read the material she posted in this group unless of course, you don't really want to because you already agree with it. What fellowship hath light with darkness? She's your friend, huh? Anyone who believes that there were two Eves and the Gnostic nonsense that you and FreeFilth555 are actively promoting are followers of Satan. You're both witches.

Deal with it.

Since you appear to have already come to the conclusion that Oneness believers are brainwashed by Satan perhaps you would do well to just keep praying for me and leave it at that. I don't understand why you want to engage in debate with me and waste your precious time trying to convince me to believe in a divided GOD.

Another thing that I find so typical of women who live after the flesh and not after the Spirit of the Living God is their selective memory. Do you remember the last time you engaged in debate with me and totally lost it? You were such an embarassment to yourself that you deleted your posts in the end and you concluded that JESUS was not GOD. You said some pretty vulgar things over there in the now defunct and deleted Seeking the Truth Group that I cannot rightly recall because they were rather irreverant, to say the least. I likely forgave you for it, understanding the spirit that you said them in is hardly the spirit of that poor, victimized, female host that you would refer to as your person.

"It also sounds to me from your posting that you have had very bad experiences with women."

Who hasn't?

Likewise, who hasn't had very bad experiences with men? Why feign care and concern when you have so much to tend to in your own filthy heart? Take care of yourself first, do the first works and save yourself from this untoward generation, thou pretender.

Perhaps then, we'll talk.

"Just because some have treated you unfairly-does not mean that I will."

No, that is true. You have already done this, in the presence of witnessess, so why bother doing it again?

"You have got me all wrong. So like I said before, if you ever want a real debate."

I'll say it again, on the off-chance that GOD might be so gracious to you that you might even just "get it" this time: I don't "have you" wrong. You are wrong. Period. You were wrong when you miserably lost the debate in Seeking the Truth Group and you're wrong again for denying JESUS, the Only Wise God.

"Let me know. I'll be praying for you."

Since you don't believe that JESUS is GOD who will you be praying to, may I ask? Allah? No matter, my GOD is able to lift me up regardless of your spurious communications with the Devil. I pray that JESUS, the Only Wise God, opens your eyes, your ears, your heart, and your understanding to FULL BIBLE TRUTH.

May GOD bless you and your house in the name of JESUS, the Only Wise God.

I am not a twit. I believe in the same bible that you do. I truly believe that you hate women. What a shame. You treat women so badly. I just wanted to debate with you. There is noting wrong with talking about Jesus. Now is there? So put down your machine gun and prove to me that Jesus is GOD. Dake says the same thing by the way. So now! And please leave Freeborn alone. Do you know what the name Jesus Christ means?

Twitty

I am sorry that you want to turn this into a "sexist issue" when it isn't. I am so glad that JESUS was man enough to resort to name calling. If you were a man promoting those same Satanic doctrines that you and your Satanic friend, the witch, promote, I would still be telling you the same things. This is hardly at all what you wish it was or what you are trying to turn it into. I know that I have subjected as many men to the very same scrutiny as those women who approach me with the same false doctrines as you have. If you don't believe me, just ask the two potty-mouthed wonders in Let Us Reason Group : passthepot and simmaggot. Then again, it is likely that they're both the same person - but they claim to be men.

Boo hoo... you just hate me because I am a man.

You are a man hater!

See? I can do that too!

By your pathetic assessment of my character one would rather think that I hate people in general. This isn't nearly a problem of contempt for gender although it is clearly evident that you desparately want it to be. This is merely another subtle ploy of the Devil who loves to initiate gender wars between men and women and encourage separation and division just as he did in the beginning. The quickest way that you can discredit me is to make me look like a woman hater. It flies in the face of decent men, it makes children insecure, and of course it will always make me the subject of contempt for what the Holy Bible calls the weaker vessel.

The truth is precisely the contrary to your Satanic accusations. As for reading the same Bible, do you not realize that Satan can quote more scripture from memory than the both of us put together? That you just wanted to debate with me was never disputed. That is all that you want because you have no desire to learn the truth.

The motive for your desire to debate Satanic Dake Doctrine with me is an entirely different matter than your lame accusations. Again, this has little to do with gender. Do you honestly believe I wouldn't tell a male desiring to debate Dake the same the same things that I just told you? Why do you want to talk about Jesus when you don't even want to know Him? By what you have shared so far, your words would put Jesus in jail for His bad attitude, in resorting to name calling and to physical violence. Just because you are a misandrist who hates God because He is a man and not a woman does not grant you the right to project your hatred at me to call me a woman hater.

If God doesn't want you to know that Jesus is God you will never know the truth. If you value your life in eternity you had better pray for the revelation that JESUS is GOD. What makes you think I can prove to you that Jesus is God? If you reject the truth and refuse to embrace it then you will never know the truth �?no matter what I tell you. Dake doctrine is of the Devil. If you believe that sort of smut you are hopeless until you come out of it (if you ever come out of it at all).

GOD is one in every way and there is no way that HE is not One.

The one that you call "Freeborn" is not here and I have no clue where she/it is. I am just glad she isn't here and I don't go looking for her so I don't have to kick her out of this group again for blasphemy when she reciprocates. I have little doubt that if I went looking for her she'd be back here. This is so typical of Neo-Feminist witches to falsely accuse men of harassment when no such thing is occuring.

... Stop victimizing me!!!

Now I already have you on two counts of false witness in this last communication of yours that typify the subtle tactics of the Neo-Feminist God-hater agenda:

1. False accusation: "you hate women".

Where is your proof? I mean, I'm sure you find it very convenient to call me a misogynist, but where is your proof? I love both my wives, I love my daughter, who is a woman, I love my mother, so how do you substantiate that I am a "woman hater"? Am I a woman hater because I say that Jesus is God? Is that it?

2. False accusation: 'leave her alone'.

Please allow me to make it clear to you that FreeFilth came here of her/its own accord. I began debating with her until I learned that she was all over the place with all sorts of lying doctrines and commandments of men and devils not even found in the scripture. She/it could not even stay on topic, let alone participate in an intelligent debate; however, when it became abundantly clear to me that all she was doing was spamming the group with material that she had stored somewhere else and was using it to blaspheme GOD, I kicked her out of this group. After I kicked her out, I did not pursue her. Why would I bother? Okay, admittedly, I know of women who do such things; but you need to understand that this is simply not my way. I am a man. I am not like the Puritan who kicks her favorite victim in the shins and then runs to the principle's office to declare how "Johnny is hurting me." This is Lisa's game �?not mine. It rather looks like it is your game too. Boo hoo hoo. Sorry to disappoint you, but I wear shin guards now.

Twitty, I would nearly be tempted to tell you to get lost if it weren't for the fact that you already are. The name of JESUS means much more than the symbolic cryptology that you and the dead Dake want to give it credit for. I have already read much of your blasphemous material in the now defunct Seeking the Truth Group.Why don't you just stop harrassing and victimizing me and go crawl back under the rock from whence you came? Provocation will get you nowhere. I really hoped that you had more sense than to resort to puritanical little schoolgirl games like this. Just go run home to your favorite headquarters and cry to the principle if it makes you happy. You act so much like the rest of them that I suggest you join them so that you can all have a big pity party in your Misandrist Man-hater Society. You're a liar because you promote the lies of your father, the Devil. JESUS is the LORD.

Okay. I said that I would answer these expectorations of filth at my leisure, long ago, and I have a little time on my hands now. Normally I would have just deleted this nonsense in the knowledge that it is just spam and not really proper debate material. There is one who came to this group whom I greatly respected and he said there was no truth here. I am saddened by his words although I would assume that he spoke on his own behalf. Well, I must say that I wholeheartedly disagree with him (notice that I said "him" and not "her" �?I guess this makes me a "man hater" now because I disagreed with a man this time.) The filth is written in purple. The truth is written in basic black. Full Bible Truth is in bold.

Have you ever read Heb. one? You need to study this chapter.

I have read and studied the book of Hebrews.

Now Thomas had received a revelation from the Father just as Peter received a revelation from the Father.

Yes, and that revelation is that Jesus is God, very God.

Jesus told Peter flesh and blood [which he was] did not reveal this to you, but my Father which is in Heaven.

So far, so good.

Do you really think Jesus was calling himself , My Father?

The Christ is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Christ. Until you understand this, you will not understand this scripture.

My -- shows possession does it not?

Yes, it does. Here is another scripture that shows possession much in the same way:

And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. (Isaiah 63:5)

Is Jesus saying I am my own Father?

No, Jesus never said you were your own Father.

My self is my Father? Foolishness.

Blasphemy, rather. I thought you were a woman.

Jesus had asked Peter, who do you say that I am. What did Peter answer? Do you know? Any of you?

Get to your point. I don't have all day.

Did Peter say, you are God? Nope.

Did Peter say, "you are not God?" Nope.

Why not, if this is the true foundation for our belief ?

Indeed. Why wasn't Peter granted the revelation that JESUS was not GOD? A: Because Christ is in Jesus and Jesus is in Christ.

Peter said you are the Son of God. Jesus verified that this was a true revelation from His Father.

Indeed. The Christ verified that He and the Father were in fact, inseparable �?the very same per Son.

To be more accurate, I would word it like this:

Now Thomas the doubter, received a revelation from the Father (His name is Jesus) concerning the identity of the Christ shortly after the resurrection of the Christ. Having witnessed that the Christ was indeed no mere mortal having conquored both sin and death, and also setting the captives free, after having shed His Holy Blood on the cross and making at-One-ment for all who believe with His own Holy Spirit, Thomas then acknowledged that the Christ and the only per Son of GOD is GOD, very GOD, then declared, directly to the Christ, these words following: "My LORD and my God." (John 20:28)

Having acknowledged the true identity of the Christ, and knowing that the Christ told him that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, seeing that the blood of Jesus was already poured out, and also seeing that the body of the Christ was no mortal flesh but something other than flesh, only then did the doubter actually believe that JESUS is the Father.

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (verse 29)

GOD THE ONLY GOD, THE FATHER ....OF...OUR LORD JESUS, sets Jesus up on the throne of God, to be worshipped as God with God.

JESUS, the ONLY WISE GOD, and the Christ, the express image of His per Son, are ONE in every way. Therefore the Christ has a name which is above every name in heaven and in earth because the Christ is indeed GOD, very GOD, in spirit and in truth.

Ever hear this?

Heb 1:1

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

God spoke by His Son. God appointed His Son heir of all things......

Heb 1:4

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Heb 1:5

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:6

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Heb 1:7

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Heb 1:8

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:9

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

I am often astonished how people read only what they want to read. Did this witch not read in the very scripture that she just recited the following words?

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

And yet she has the audacity to ask me if I ever heard it??? O, my! Lord have mercy on her soul and open the witch's eyes!

This says that God made Jesus much higher than angels. Before his death he was lower than the angels....for the suffering of death.

Indeed. That is precisely how the Christ, the Son of God and only per Son of God who IS GOD, was made to come into the world, fulfilling all the prophecy, dying on a cross as a man in the flesh, shedding His perfect blood for mankind, and being glorified of the Father as the Father because He IS the everlasting Father!

Jesus said, ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH.....IS.......GIVEN.......TO ME. By whom?

How sad that the eyes of the lost are blinded to the true revelation of Jesus Christ. The Father is the Spirit of Christ �?even the Holy Spirit. The Father formed the Son of man (the Christ) in the womb of a virgin handmaiden (a concubine) born of flesh and blood. Why are people so hung up on the flesh which is to perish with the using?

When we speak of the Spirit of Christ we speak of the Spirit of the Father. This is the exact same and identical Spirit! The Christ is the express image and person of the Father! How is it then, after having that this deceitful witch declares that "Jesus is not God" when the very same scripture that she has quoted to me declares that He is? Please permit me to repeat myself as it is more than evident that the witch clearly does the same:

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

By God. By His God. By His Father. Do you believe that Jesus has a God? If not, you must call lots of Scriptures a lie. IT MENTIONS THE GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS IN LOTS OF PLACES.

Jacobs_Trouble and father of three, and husband of two wives, and a mortal man, and a true worshipper of the Only Wise God, and a son of man and a believer in the Full Bible Truth doctrine, has mentioned to many believers how that Christ Jesus and the Father are indeed One in the same God. I pity those who cannot read the scripture as it is written but I have little sympathy for those who deliberately ignore what is clearly written before them in black and white. JESUS is His own GOD.

That aside, she evidently thinks that in the scripture that she quotes, that I will miss the fact that she took out her scissors and cut out an essential verse. Yes, that's right... Did you catch it? She runs from Hebrews 1:1 to Hebrews 1:2, skips Hebrews 1:3 completely, and jumps into Hebrews 1:4. Would the reader care to know the reason why this filthy and unclean spirit in her caused her to remove the word of God as it is written? See if you can figure it out. Here is the scripture that she BANNED from the WORD of GOD:

Hebrews 1

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

YUP. That's my JESUS. The Christ sat down on the right hand of that Almighty Spirit, called the Father, in the very throne of the ONLY WISE GOD. The Christ, that corporeal form and body of GOD ALMIGHTY, still sits upon that very throne today. You are not going to see three thrones in heaven side-by-side (one for the SPIRIT, one for the SON, and one for the FATHER) as the trinity teaches. No, my friend there is Only One GOD and Only One throne of GOD, upon which the express image of the person of GOD, even Christ Jesus, the perfect man (not woman), currently sits.

Jesus called him, My God, My God on that cross. Who was he speaking to ?

Christ the son of man, was calling out to His own Spirit. This is the very humanity of GOD crying out to the deity of GOD, that the scripture and the prophecy would be fulfilled even as it is written.

I understand the nature of the confusion that the witch resorts to and why she does not even see that she is a witch. She is still not able to discern that the Christ (annointed) came to us in the Spirit (Ruach) and the name (Shem) of the everlasting Father, JESUS.

Woman, you are confused. JESUS is the Father of the Christ who is the humanity and the very image of GOD ALMIGHTY. Get it right: The Son of GOD did surely come to us in the name of the everlasting Father; even the humanity of GOD, very GOD, who is called the Christ, the Word made flesh, the annointed of the Father, He Who Is; even He Who Is called Iesous. Now that is the English of the matter and I do not have to speak Yiddish to be saved because I know His name is Jesus. I know who died on that cross for my sins and I know that I am one of His. He is the Messiah... the very humanity of GOD Almighty, and He gave His life on a cross as a mortal to save the world from certain damnation. The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father and these twain are One GOD:

Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Read it in John 14. Notice that I did not pull any verses out of context either, to break the proper sequence of thought, as one has done previously with the Book of Hebrews. I will not eliminate the EXPRESS IMAGE of the PERSON (singular) of GOD ALMIGHTY from the scripture. GOD is a SPIRIT and they that worship HIM must worship HIM in spirit and in truth. Only the counterfeits come close to the KINGDOM and they that are lost, are often truly lost because of them. The true GOSPEL and the true DOCTRINE of JESUS, the only wise GOD has come to you this day. Choose this day, whom you will serve. I know that my doctrine is true. JESUS is GOD, very GOD, and there is no other GOD but Him. The Christ represents the humanity of the deity. No man can count all the forms of GOD, but GOD is ONE. The false testimony of this witch would make GOD more than one GOD. This is sheer and utter blasphemy, for which even the Jews were prepared to stone the Christ, stumbling before the Rock of OFFENSE, not perceiving that the Christ is the YHWH in Person. Do not be deceived. GOD is not mocked and there is none like HIM. The Holy Spirit is indeed the Father of the Christ and there is only ONE Alpha and Omega. Brothers and sisters, His name is JESUS. If you want to shake hands with the Father, then get ready to take hold of the nail-scarred hand and prepare to worship HIM in Spirit and in Truth.

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