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From: MSN NicknameJacobs_Trouble  (Original Message)Sent: 8/14/2006 7:35 AM
From: "Shaheed Saleh" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
CC: [MY NAME]
Subject: Re: Israel Between Democracy and Terrorism
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:45:58 -0400

[My Name] said: I must tell you truly, that your "christian" in this narrative reads just like one of the millions of ignorant infidels that claim to know God. I would not trust him to tend a latrine, let alone my spiritual welfare. He reads like a fool. It is too obvious. He is not convincing. This is naturally only a made-up fabrication but I realize there are many in the world who are just as ignorant - if not even moreso.

I say: fine Mr. [My Name]  if this true, while I know you are lying, but please bring what Sal said exactly that fits this ignorance on your part, before you bad mouth what Sal is doing. I am not defending Sal, I am the Muslim in that debate, and all what you said applies to myself. So please Mr. Genius; show us what wrong we spoke, and how? Let us see who is the true Fool, after you discuss what is being debated.

[My Name] said: I would prefer to have a discussion with a MUSLIM like the one you list below. You can call me "TRUE WORSHIPPER" and you can call him "MUSLIM". Then we will see how well these questions are answered. I know that great injustices have been committed on both sides of the fence. America is in a mess and the common people of America are blind to the truth. If you must educate the foolish Americans I suggest that you begin with HISTORICAL FACT.

I say: ok, here I am, you called, I am honoring your call, wanted me to come to the discussion, I am ready when you are, let me introduce myself: my name is [respectfully withheld], I am a Muslim Scholar, I am reaching hundreds of thousands world wide, a writer to many books, a member in many groups, very active member in my countries, and a strong Activist. Please, bring all what you have, let us put on the table, you use good language, we all will be happy, you abuse any of it, then we all will not have satisfaction. Anything you have should match what Qur’aan says, because that is the true source of Islam, not any other ignorance done, especially by people and individual bases.  

[My Name] said: Tell them about the Ashkenazi. Tell them about the Khazars. Tell them how over 92% of the so-called Jews are not even able to trace their lineage to Abraham or how that most of these self-professing Jews claim to be athiests. Then tell them about the remainder... those who claim that they can trace their lineage to Abraham.

Mohammad says: fine, does this including telling us Muslims, I am here, you can tell me whatever you want.

I can tell you about the elitist Cohens.. who think they are the direct descendants of Abraham... How they used the filthy lies of King Solomon's wives and Babylon to gain power through the use of the Kabalah and make up their lying traditional law: Talmud. I will tell you how these RACIST ELITISTS organized to rule the world. These Zionist Fascists make Adolf Hitler look like Kindergarten. I will not spare. I will expose the lies of all of them. There is no other God but God.

 




From:  "Don DR" <[email protected]>
To:  [My Name] 

CC:  [email protected]
Subject:  Re: Israel Between Democracy and Terrorism
Date:  Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:48:28 -0700



Dear Mohammad, I received this message from one of my kind readers, he asked to talk to a true Muslim like yourself, I will leave you two to discuss what you wish to discuss, his name is [My Name] , wish you both a wonderful chat.

 
On 8/8/06, [My Name] wrote:

I must tell you truly, that your "christian" in this narrative reads just like one of the millions of ignorant infidels that claim to know God. I would not trust him to tend a latrine, let alone my spiritual welfare. He reads like a fool. It is too obvious. He is not convincing. This is naturally only a made-up fabrication but I realize there are many in the world who are just as ignorant - if not even moreso.

I would prefer to have a discussion with a MUSLIM like the one you list below. You can call me "TRUE WORSHIPPER" and you can call him "MUSLIM". Then we will see how well these questions are answered. I know that great injustices have been committed on both sides of the fence. America is in a mess and the common people of America are blind to the truth. If you must educate the foolish Americans I suggest that you begin with HISTORICAL FACT.

Tell them about the Ashkenazi. Tell them about the Khazars. Tell them how over 92% of the so-called Jews are not even able to trace their lineage to Abraham or how that most of these self-professing Jews claim to be athiests. Then tell them about the remainder... those who claim that they can trace their lineage to Abraham.

I can tell you about the elitist Cohens.. who think they are the direct descendants of Abraham... How they used the filthy lies of King Solomon's wives and Babylon to gain power through the use of the Kabalah and make up their lying traditional law: Talmud. I will tell you how these RACIST ELITISTS organized to rule the world. These Zionist Fascists make Adolf Hitler look like Kindergarten. I will not spare. I will expose the lies of all of them. There is no other God but God.

Salaam


From:  "Don DR" <[email protected]>
Subject:  Israel Between Democracy and Terrorism

Date:  Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:46:31 -0700

Israel between Democracy and Terrorism-2
 
 
Who teach children Terrorism?
 
Dear readers, greetings in the name of the God of love, in this message we also have two attachments, one named: Reporting from the Middle East, correcting the ludicrous term of Anti Semitic, please read it. The other attachment titled Israel Massacre has shocking pictures from the terrorism of the Israelis at Lebanon, IF YOU HAVE HEART CONDITION, PLEASE DO NOT WATCH IT. 

We continue our debate with my Muslim friend, about what Terrorism Israel is doing today.
Christian: I noticed the last time how you admitted: at the very start, you wanted to throw Israelis to the Sea, then little by little you started reducing your threats to just asking them to acknowledge your right to live side by side, am I correct?

Muslim: Yes, because at first it was shocking to see them coming from all over the world with non Biblical lies to invade, kill, and colonize, we wanted to throw them out, then the unlimited evil blind support to Israelis from the West made us realize this is not possible, and today we do seek peace for two States, one named Israel, and another named Palestine to live side by side. We admit we are forced under the evil of the West, but this is what we want to have today, regardless of what others may say and lie about it. However, I tell you this: Israel will not agree, they will keep deceiving the naïve into believing

they wish this peace to happen, they lie as usual. 
 
Christian: I know, you mentioned how they want the greater State of Israel between the two Rivers. Now, most of us Christians believe how Israelis are the people of God, don't you think it is evil to fight God and his people like this?
 
Muslim: It is true how God said: you are my people, I chose you from all the nations, but they responded: we prefer Baal Idol for worship. God said: I will give you an everlasting promise of a land, but if you misbehaved, you are no more people, I will pluck you out (Deut 28:63), I will disperse you among all the world's nations. God said: it pleases him to do this, as it pleases him to take them as people, which means when he does, those become no more what they were. Since God plucked them out as he promised, then anyone helping them is helping against the wish of the same God who plucked them. 
 
Christian: I see, but don't you think this is not a proof, and people may accuse you of lying by saying: Israel is no more the people of God, after all we both can see how God said: they are his people from among all the nations? 
 
Muslim: No, only the naïve, and the illiterate about your book may accuse me of lying, the educated know I am telling the truth. Let us read what Jesus said, if any of you believe in what Jesus says. In the book of Mathew 21:42-44 Jesus told them clearly how he was their last hope, he said: the stone rejected by the builders (Jews are the builders of the Temple), became the corner stone, therefore I tell you (Jews/Israelis): the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth its fruits.
 
Christian: yes, I know, but it is such a shame, those who see Israelis as God people will not preach to us those words from Jesus, they do not wish us to see how Jesus see the Jews and the Israelis, how they are no more the children of the Kingdom, as Jesus said it will be taken from them, I wonder when will Christians realize, the sooner they do, the sooner they will stop dipping their hands in the blood of the innocent that Israelis are killing.
 
Muslim: I tell you something, it is shocking those lying teachers why they do not preach the truth about Israelis, read Mathew 3:7, which says: O Generation of Vipers and children of Snakes. When I tell any ignorant evil Zionist from those who insist on calling themselves by Christians, while they are not: Israelis lie always, they say: may God rebuke you for insulting Israel. Well, let me show those idiots what Jesus says in the book of John 8:43 to the Jews and the Israelis, telling the idiots what are those all about, Jesus said to the Israelis: you are the children of your father of lies Satan. The Israelis respond in John 8:48: you Jesus are possessed with Satan.
 
Christian: yes, I know, they are the children of Satan, they are the children of their father of lies, I will take Jesus over all the evil who preach against those words from Jesus. I know how Jesus called them evil Generation when they came asking for a sign, and he gave them the sign of Jonah. I know when Jesus called them Hypocrites, and with no understanding.
 
Muslim: my friend, Israelis today are the people of God as much as the Hindu or the Buddhist may be children, as any Idol worshiper and offender to God may be from the people, if God may take any of those to be among something called people. Anyone who tells you they are still is simply lying, especially since the kingdom was taken from them. 
 
Christian: no wonder why Israelis lie even today, one reader told me how the Angel of God fought with them against four Arab Armies and defeated Arabs, today we see the truth, it was the US who defeated the Arabs, those Israelis are being defeated by few freedom fighters at South Lebanon, I wonder where is this Angel of God who fight on the side of those Israeli terrorists. Today as I am writing this message, thirty little children died in a building bombed by Israelis with US F-16 American War plains, when we Christians will stop dipping our hands in the blood of little innocent children, when we will stop our stupid blind help to Israel those enemies of Jesus?


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From: MSN NicknameJacobs_TroubleSent: 8/14/2006 9:49 PM
Someone calling themselves Shaheed Saleh wrote these words to me and sent them to me in an email:
 
" Ok, here I am, you called, I am honoring your call, wanted me to come to the discussion, I am ready when you are, let me introduce myself: my name is [respectfully withheld], I am a Muslim Scholar, I am reaching hundreds of thousands world wide, a writer to many books, a member in many groups, very active member in my countries, and a strong Activist. Please, bring all what you have, let us put on the table, you use good language, we all will be happy, you abuse any of it, then we all will not have satisfaction. Anything you have should match what Qur’aan says, because that is the true source of Islam, not any other ignorance done, especially by people and individual bases. " 
 
I answered the e-mail with a link to our debating forum and three simple words: I am ready. If this Saheed Saleh would care to debate me in this forum I am ready and willing to do so. I will be taking a flight in 48 hours so in the interests of NATIONAL SECURITY ... lol ...
 
Mr. Saheed Saleh of immense educational proportions and worldly status ... who has chosen to recognize me for a "Genius" in his gracious benevolence may need to wait until my journey to -=- (in the interests of HOMELAND SECURITY I cannot say) is completed before I will be able reply to his majesty.
 
Already Mr. Saheed has accused me of being a liar so this should prove to be a rather interesting debate if he is willing to explain himself in the presence of witnesses. Of course, should he decline I will understand and I will accept his private apology in an e-mail.
 
My first Statement is this:
 
Mr. SAHEED...
 
You called me a liar. Please tell me what I am lying about. Is it because I told the truth about Mr. Bush, the terrorist? Am I a liar because I explained that most of those who call themselves Jews are not even able to trace their ancestry to Abraham? For what reason am I a liar? Is it because I told the truth about the Fascist Zionists? Or is it simply because I lift up the name of JESUS.. the only wise God.
 
Am I a liar because I told Mr. Saheed that there is no other God but God?
Did not his false Prophet say the same thing? I will be back in seven days to answer.
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname_KINGSTING_Sent: 8/15/2006 8:33 PM
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 Dear members, I just had a quick glance at Muslim section to read a false statement about Muhammad PBUH not being a prophet. I just joined your group, I do challenge all of you to an open debate during which you can seek help from the best of your preachers and teachers. Now let us play this the proper way, every message I post, I will check the box that says: send responses to my mail box, to make sure every time I open my E mail address to find your responses. On the other hand, if you post directly avoiding the reply option, please come to know I am sending messages to 1000000 all over the world, Muslims and non Muslims, and I cannot check the board itself, but can quickly check my E mail inbox. If you do not receive response, it does not mean I am not willing to answer, it means you are ignoring this message I am sending to conduct this situation.  
 Now please listen up, you started attacking Islam, this gives us the right to defend ourselves. The issue is simple, you have Old Testament, New Testament, I have the Noble Qur’aan, let us put what we have on the table, let us see what is Heavenly and what is false, I wonder how long I will be allowed to speak, I know so many who were scared of me before, and they blocked me from posting, that is why let me give you my E mail address, in case the manager want to act like a God, and decide what to allow and what to block in this board. I am capable of showing how you hang on to a nightmare for teaching, I am capable of showing how false is your preaching, and capable of showing you how Islam is way better than all what you can imagine.
 If you think you hold on to something good, and you are so sure, let us start debating, politely, civilized way please if at all possible, without insulting anyone from those who we consider prophets and men of the LORD, let us discuss the goodness or the evil in the books in our hands, and practice the right to know the truth for a change. If you think you can handle one Muslim like myself, let us begin, let us see if your claim about us is true or simple evil. Waiting your response to this challenge, and my E mail address in case the manager or his assistance play Gods and block me out of this board and from this challenge, you can reach me always as well at
[email protected], if those want to act like Gods of some kind.
 Bottom line, you say Islam is bad, and false, also Qur’aan encourages terrorism and evil, I say the same about your books, let us debate, let us see who can prove what they say, and who is holding to goodness, and who are holding to evil nightmares.  

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As I stated in message #5, I am back home at the time appointed. I would like to thank the management of FBT for their prayers and for tending to the forum during my absence. I also thank Jesus for allowing me to return home safely with my new bride. There are still many blessings left to me because I live in Canada.
 
Reading over these posts has refreshed some thoughts for me and although I am not in a position to touch on many of the valid points made here I would like to address a few of them. Enochrodofiron1 mentioned that all Religion is ungodly. I am inclined to agree in the sense that all World Religion is ungodly. Nonetheless to be fair, it should also be stated that there is such a thing as PURE RELIGION which is TRUE. Pure Religion is godly. This is why Pure Religion is not World Religion:
 

James 1

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. 2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. 9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: 10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. 11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. 21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

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So not all religion is ungodly and I would venture to say that Jesus was a very religious man.


Just saying that one is a "Jew" or a "Christian" or a "Muslim" does not give them TRUE or PURE Religion. The world has taken these three concepts ... words... titles... and corrupted them to mean all sorts of things, many of them self-contradictory, to manipulate and to mold men to conform to worldly forms of WORLD RELIGION. 
 
If the acts of religious ritualism are all that one requires to become a Jew, or a Christian, or a Muslim, then I will confidently state here that MOST Jews, Christians, and Muslims will burn in hell. They will not see paradise, they will not see the Kingdom of God, NO... they will be damned. Instead, they will be damned Christians. They will be damned Jews. They will be damned Muslims. Why?
 
SALVATION requires that an inner spiritual transformation occurs. Without the intervention of the COMFORTER (which is the HOLY GHOST -- not some mortal man) there can be no salvation. Without salvation there can only be damnation. I am grateful to JESUS for the TRUE JEW because salvation is of the Jews. I am grateful to JESUS for the TRUE CHRISTIAN because the true Christian has the GOSPEL. I am grateful to GOD for the TRUE MUSLIM because the true Muslim has the knowledge of SUBMISSION.
 
All who would say they are Jews but deny that JESUS is the name of the Almighty God are servants of Satan. They are deceivers. All who would say they are Muslims but deny that JESUS is the name of the Almighty Allah are servants of Satan. They are deceivers. All who would say that they are Christians but deny that JESUS is the name of the Almighty ONE are servants of Satan. They are deceivers.
 
Roman Catholic Religion is the great World Religion of lies and deceit because it denies the name of the Only Wise God. These do not confess CHRIST because they refuse to confess that JESUS is the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit. They would equate God with corruptible flesh and blood.
 
So-called Jewish Religion is an ancient World Religion of lies and deceit because it denies the name of the Only Wise God. These do not confess CHRIST because they refuse to confess that JESUS is the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit. They would equate God with corruptible flesh and blood.
 
So-called Muslim Religion (the newest of the three) is a World Religion of lies and deceit because it denies the name of the Only Wise God. These do not confess CHRIST because they refuse to confess that JESUS is the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit and yes, they too, would equate God with corruptible flesh and blood.
 
Does this read as though I am repeating myself needlessly? If you believe that JESUS is the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost then perhaps I am. If you do not believe that JESUS is the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost you will surely die in your sins and you will be damned believing the lie.
 
So you see, CHRISTIAN... MUSLIM... JEW... These worldly terms are nothing without the NAME of JESUS. Without JESUS you just don't have the name of God in you. You are not part of the adoption, you are not part of HIS family. In fact you really have no place within the KINGDOM of GOD and your only inheritance will be the damnation of your soul. Without the complete REBIRTH and the infilling of the HOLY GHOST you simply DO NOT have the name of GOD and you simply do not know HIM.
 
Instead... all of you Christians, Muslims, and Jews will ever be at eachother's throats while you yet live in your corruptible flesh and blood, gnashing on one another, and declaring your superiority in WORLD RELIGION as you continue to SUBMIT to SATAN in your fleshly pride and vain glory... thumping your Bibles and Torahs and Qu'raans as though you all knew something that God didn't know.
 
Unless JESUS lives in you, you really do not know God.

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