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| | | From: Masugu (Original Message) | Sent: 8/7/2003 3:29 PM |
Hi Folks;
Well I think we at least made some dents in Gail's wall so its time to move on. Since there is apparently no longer a Member Search option on IKK (part of MSN's upgrade I suspect). it becomes more difficult to formulate these messages, so I'm dropping back from 3 brickwalls to 2 on each Brainstorming message.
Our featured contestant for this week is Okie (aka Carol) with FOSSEDAL/SHOGREN, originally posted on 17 Nov. 2002. A gist of Carol's combined postings follows:
G-Grandfather: Neils/Nels Fossedal/ (var. Fossedel, Fossedahl, nee ANDERSON, var. ANDERSSON)
b. 27 Jun 1856 Voss Norway, d. 7 Dec 1926 Cook Co. Hospital,
bur. 11 Dec 1926 "M. Ohio??"--may not be an M, or could be Mt., but is pretty sure it says Ohio.
Trade: Carpenter--had his own business in Chicago, also worked at Sampson Tractor Co. in Janesville.
Immigrated: 1882, Naturalized: 1892
Notes: FOSSEDAL was a name Nels made up when he came to the US. His real name was Nels ANDERSON.
G-Grandmother: Inga SHOGREN (var. SJOGREN)
b. ???? Sweden,
d. Nekoosa WI Sep 1915
bur. ???, WI
Children:
Arthur b. 1903, Chicago--Arthur worked at the Sampson Tractor Factory in Janesville WI in 1920
Mildred Catherine FOSSEDAL
b.1905 Janesville, WI
d. ???? OK
Notes: This is Carol's grandmother, she left her family in the early 20's to go to Rockford IL w/ John MISKELLY, whom she later married. MISKELLY left a wife and family in Janesville. They moved to OK in 1928.
Elmer b. 1908, Chicago
Walter b. 1910, Chicago
Helen b. 1908, Chicago, m. (fnu) Skelly
Robert b. prob. June 1915 Nekoosa WI--adopted upon Inga's death by the HANSEN family of Nekoosa. He was a Chicago fireman & m. Lillian (lnu)
Notes: Carol has the DOD of all of her grandmother's siblings. The family moved from WI to Chicago & then back again after Nels lost his business. Their house in Nekoosa burned down in Dec 1915 and all of the kids were farmed out. In 1920 they were all in Janesville, WI. They also resided in Port Edwards Village, Wood Co., WI at one time. In 1930, two of them worked for the Merrick Dairy in Janesville.
Carol's brickwalls follow:
1) she can't go further back than Nels & Inga,
2) she needs 1910 census for Nels & Inga FOSSEDAL, in Chicago.
3) she needs 1900 census for Nels & Inga ANDERSON or FOSSEDAL in Chicago
4) she needs to know where Nels is buried--doesn't believe there is a headstone for Nels,
5) exact date of death for Inga
"If ANYONE has any other ideas, I will take them and RUN with them, and I am very grateful to all IKK brainstormers. You guys are great"
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Next week will be Katy with JOHNSON, WOOD posted on 5 Dec 2002. Katy has sent me an update since last week's posting so you Brainstormers need to read it again. A gist of Katy's posting follows:
G-G-Grandfather: Harvey JOHNSON, possibly J. Harvey,
b. 1829 prob. Canada but parents were from DE
Located: in IL, towns of Prairie City and/or Tennessee in McDonough Co., from 1855 to 1870
Spouse: Rebecca J. WOOD
G-G-Grandmother: Rebecca J. WOOD,
b. 1837 PA/OH
Family is from PA/OH/TN
Located: in IL, towns of Prairie City and/or Tennessee in McDonough Co., from 1855 to 1870
Child
Mary Francis JOHNSON (Katy's g-grandmother)
b. 1861 in town of Tennessee, McDonough Co. IL.
m. Harvey (lnu) Fayette Co. OH
Location: Fremont NE, where they are buried.
Katy is looking for relatives who may have moved to NE w/ them. Possibly a James L WOOD, or another JOHNSON. They may have had something to do with Pawnee Indians, she's not sure. She's not sure if there are relatives that stayed in McDonough, or nearby counties, since most moved with relatives.
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| | | From: Melody | Sent: 8/12/2003 2:05 PM |
Cragin A fairly large neighborhood with an array of residential styles and shopping opportunities, Cragin is bounded to the north by Roscoe Street, to the south by Fullerton Avenue (from Central to Laramie) and the SOO Line train tracks (from Laramie to Cicero), to the east by Cicero Avenue and to the west by Central Avenue (from Roscoe Street to Fullerton Avenue) and Laramie Avenue (from Fullerton to the SOO Line train tracks). pictures of the neighborhood http://www.picturingchicago.com/Cragin.htm |
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| | | From: Melody | Sent: 8/12/2003 2:16 PM |
Carol, You might enjoy going to Mapquest.com and entering 5200 W. Roscoe (The 52 was taken from 52nd Street) Melody |
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| | | From: Melody | Sent: 8/12/2003 3:37 PM |
Katy, From information I found in 1860 Mc Donough County, the Prairie City Johnsons came from New York, not Delaware and it seems the Johnson/Johnston family in Tennessee Township came from Virginia. Melody |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 8/12/2003 5:14 PM |
Carol;
Did you notice that in the 1910 census they lived at 3919 N. 52nd--the only house listed on 52nd? Around the block was Christian Ellerbrock--one of the allied families married into the Jaaks/Jaacks. There's a good bet that Nels knew my g-g-grandfather Hermann Jaaks. Not exac tly a cousin-connect, but it does mean that a number of IKK had ancestros in the same neighborhood or at least in the same community area. Small world ain't it?
Also, I now understand why I couldn't find him in the indx on Genealogy or HQ--the handwriting makes it look like Fersdal or Tersdal, and the indexer for HQ read it as Tessedal.
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 8/12/2003 5:18 PM |
Me again----have ya seen these SSDI entries? Cheers Wayne
Name Birth Date Death Date Last Residence (City,County,State) Issued SSN
INEZ FOSSDAL 10 Jul 1896 21 Dec 1987 Chicago, Cook, IL IL (Before 195) 322-09-3097
INGER FOSSDAL 29 Dec 1923 5 Jul 1989 IL (1961 And 1) 352-36-7286
NILS FOSSDAL 10 Sep 1903 15 Mar 1995 IL (1957 And 1) 338-34-1059
SIGURD FOSSDAL 25 Feb 1900 Jan 1992 Chicago, Cook, IL IL (Before 195) 341-09-5905
TRYGVE FOSSDAL 25 Feb 1929 19 Feb 2002 IL (1955 And 1) 343-32-9101 |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 8/12/2003 8:02 PM |
Hi Carol;
I saw your query on COOK-IL-List and did some searching. There are 19 Obits and an article for the name Miskelly in the Trib archives--you need to try to access this site. There were also a number of Miskellys listed in the directories on AncestryPlus--see below. Cheers, Wayne
Lakeside Chicago, Illinois General Directory for 1910. Chicago: Chicago Directory Co., 1910.]
Miskelly Alex C salesman 200 Adams h 3126 S 41st av
Miskelly Andrew C clk 170 N Union h 1951 S Sawyer av
Miskelly Belle wid Samuel h 3133 S Harding av
Miskelly Elias lab h 3133 S Harding av
Miskelly Henry real est 4101 W 26th h 2544 S 41st ct
Miskelly John clk h 2122 S Lawndale av
Miskelly Samuel gen signal insp 1125, 144 Vanburen h 2122 S Lawndale av
Miskelly Henry 4101 W 26th
Miskelly Henry 4101 W 26th
Lakeside Chicago, Illinois General Directory for 1917. Chicago: Chicago Directory Co., 1917.
Chicago Real Estate & Improvement Co Henry Miskelly sec 409, 155 N Clark
Miskelly Alex C clk 219 W Adams h Downers Grove
Miskelly Ellas carp h 1321 S Western av
Miskelly Henry sec Chicago real est & improvemen co 409, 155 N Clark h Cicero
Miskelly Samuel asst signal engr 813 Laasalle sts h 2443 S Hamlin av
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Mom (Melody)
Too Funny!!!!
Chris
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Wayne,
That was a good find on the Fossdahls. I tried to help out and had just a
bad of luck. It's amazing how people write the surnames as they sound like
the spelling Tessdal. I would have never in my whole life have figured that
out by using a another letter. I was trying to figure out possible spellings
using F not T. Good Job Wayne. Right Carol?
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| | | From: okie | Sent: 8/12/2003 9:32 PM |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 8/12/2003 10:07 PM |
Hi Caropl;
And you wanted us to quit early (LOL). It seems the Skelly's were a prolific bunch--here are the listings from the city directories. Cheers, Wayne
Chicago, Illinois Business Directory for 1859. Chicago: S.C. Griggs & Co., 1859.
Skelly Daniel C., Charles cor S. Wells, and Harrison
Skelly Ann, wid Peter, h 314 S. Wells
Skelly Daniel, stonecutter, h 301 S. Wells
Skelly Eugene, lab, h Buffalo nr Twelfth
Skelly Daniel C. Harrison nr S. Wells
Hellier and Companies Chicago, Illinois Business Directory for 1859-60. New York: Hellier & Co., 1859.
Skelly Daniel C., Harrison nr. s. Wells
Smith & Du Moulin's Chicago, Illinois City Directory for the year ending May 1, 1860. Chicago: Smith & Du Moulin, 1859.
Skelly Daniel C. stonecutter, h 301 S.
Skelly Eugene, lab, h Buffalo n Twelfth
Halpin & Bailey's Chicago, Illinois City Directory for the year 1861-62. Chicago: Halpin & Bailey, 1861.
Skelly John, carpenter, bds 101 W Twelfth
Skelly Martin, carpenter, h 189 Ewing
Skelly Andrew, sergeant Irish Brigade, h 497
Skelly Dennis, grocer, Grove nr South
Halpin & Bailey's Chicago, Illinois City Directory for the year 1862-63. Chicago: Halpin & Bailey, 1862.
Skelly Andrew, lab, Illinois Stone Co
Skelly Andrew, teamster, h Clinton, nr De
Skelly james, plasterer, bds Rock I. House
Skelly Lorenz, sailor, h e s Pleasant, nr Vedder
Skelly Margaret, wid Peter, h r 144 Fourth av
Skelly Martin, carpenter, h 189 Ewing
Halpin & Bailey's Chicago, Illinois City Directory for the year 1863-64. Chicago: Halpin & Bailey, 1863.
Skelly Anna, wid. Peter, h. 333 Wells.
John C.W. Bailey's Chicago, Illinois City Directory for 1864. Chicago: John C.W. Bailey, 1864.
Skelly Ann, wid. Peter, h. 333 Wells.
Skelly John, bartender, 235 Wells, bds. 333
Skelly Mary, wid. Dennis, h. Grove, nr. Stewart
Skelly William, varnisher, h. 333 Wells.
Halpin's Chicago, Illinois City Directory for 1865. Chicago: T.M. Halpin, 1865.
Skelly Andrew, mrs. r. 36 Foster.
John C. Bailey's Chicago, Illinois City Directory for 1867-68. Chicago: John C.W. Bailey, 1867.
Berg & Skelly, (Anton Berg and Wm. Skelly,)
Skelly Ann, h 333 Wells.
Skelly James, butcher 345 Wells, h same.
Skelly Lawrence, lab, h 242 Blackhawk.
Skelly Mary, wid Dennis, grocer 242 Grove.
Skelly Thomas, printer Times, h 333 Wells.
Skelly William, (Berg & Skelly,) h 317 Wells.
Skelly Mary, 242 Grove
Skelly James, 345 Wells
Edwards' Chicago, Illinois General & Business Directory for 1873. Chicago: Richard Edwards, Publisher, 1873.
Flynn, Joshna Halleck, D. C. Skelly. Maine--D. T. Wood, H. C.
Skelly Daniel C. lawyer, room 60, 159 LaSalle, r. 185 Huron
Skelly James, meat market, 329 5th av.
Skelly James, plasterer, bds. 541 State
Skelly John, tel. opr. r. 245 S. Jefferson
Skelly Joseph, clk. bds. 199 W. Washington
Skelly Martin, printer, r. 189 Ewing
Skelly Matthew, lab. r. 1089 N. Paulina
Skelly Michael, lab. bds. 73 W. Adams
Skelly Patrick, lab. bds. 542 25th
Skelly R. S. driver, r. 145 S. Sangamon
Skelly Thomas T. messenger, Marine Co. of Chicago
Skelly William, grocer, r. 229 28th
Skelly Daniel C. room 60, 159 LaSalle
Skelly James, 329 5th av.
The Lakeside Chicago, Illinois General & Business Directory for 1881. Chicago: The Chicago Directory Company, 1881.
Lemont--John G. Bolton. D. C. Skelly, George Weiner.
Skelly David, porter 32 N. Desplaines
Skelly G. teamster, house 288, 5th av.
Skelly James, meatmkt. 329, 5th av.
Skelly John C. conductor, house 136 Kroger
Skelly Joseph, lab. boards 313, 4th av.
Skelly Joseph M. clerk 72 Madison, house 59 University pl.
Skelly Kate Miss, house 243 Hurlbut
Skelly Lucy Miss, dressmkr. house 243 Hurlbert
Skelly William, 286, 5th av.
Skelly William H. 69 Major blk.
Skelly James, 329, 5th av.
Skelly W. H. 69 Major blk.
The Lakeside Chicago, Illinois General & Business Directory for 1890. Chicago: Chicago Directory Co., 1891.
Skelly Andrew E. fireman, h. 145 N. Green
Skelly Annie, wid. Patrick, h. 601 N. Stephenson (P.)
Skelly Charrie Mrs. dressmkr. h. 3728 Cottage Grove av.
Skelly Daniel, machinist, bds. 601 N. Stephenson (P.)
Skelly Daniel, switchman, h. 5320 Wentworth av.
Skelly James, meatmkt. 329, 5th av.
Skelly James W. clk. 329. 5th av.
Skelly John. bartndr. h. 2979 State
Skelly John C. (Skelly & Murphy) 1208 N. Halsted
Skelly Joseph. lab. h. 849 S. Halsted
Skelly Lawrence, lab. h. 101 McHenry
Skelly Mary E. teacher, h. 228 Webster
Skelly Michael J. machinist, bds. 601 N. Stephenson (P.)
Skelly Patrick P. saloon 718 W. Erie
Skelly Richard G. carrier P.O. h. 228 Webster av.
Skelly Thomas, machinist, bds. 601 N. Stephenson (P.)
Skelly Thomas F. printer, h. 1131 W. 12th
Skelly William, grocer 286, 5th av. h. 288, 5th av.
Skelly & Murphy (John C. Skelly and James T. Murphy) carps. 1208 N. Halsted
Skelly & Murphy, 1208 N. Halsted
Skelly William, 286, 5th av.
Skelly James, 329, 5th av.
Skelly Patrick J. 718 W. Erie
Lakeside Chicago, Illinois General Directory for 1910. Chicago: Chicago Directory Co., 1910.
Chapman Periey R (Skelly & Chapman) 116 South Water h 3518 Rokeby
Eagle Mnfg Co Albert Skelly mngr; novelties 528 W Jackson bl
Skelly Albert mngr 528 W Jackson bl h Calumet Mich
Skelly Beatrice Miss clk 1060 W North av h 1025 Oakdale av
Skelly Chas E mech engr h 4521 Racino av
Skelly Edward clk h 2215 W Harrison
Skelly Edward condtr h 2029 W Polk
Skelly Ernest stearftr h 3545 N Ashland av
Skelly Frank clk h 1547 Clifton Park av
Skelly Geo clk h 2215 W Harrion
Skelly Geo W (Skelly & Chapman) 116 South Water h 3526 Bokeby
Skelly Henry C clk 402 Wabash av h 2706 Indiana av
Skelly Isabella wid Wm h 2215 W Harrison
Skelly Jas J machinist h 4029 W Wilox av
Skelly John clk h 2247 Grand av
Skelly John h 7022 Jefferson av
Skelly John C h 1025 Oakdale av
Skelly Jos A saloon h 037 Lasalle av
Skelly Jos T messenger h 531 W Garfield bl
Skelly Margaret wid Jos h 3545 N Ashland av
Skelly Marguerite Miss clk h 1025 Oakdale av
Skelly Mary wid Daniel h 531 W Garfield bl
Skelly Mary A Mrs dellcatessen 4055 Evanston av h 4051 Evanston av
Skelly Mary E mrs teacher h 4537 Clifton av
Skelly Minnie E Mrs bkpr 91 State h 4409 Greenwood av
Skelly Patrick J carrier PO h 1547 Clifton Park av
Skelly Patrick J watchman h 2325 Grand av
Skelly Robt H driver h 220 N Francisco av
Skelly Thos F condtr h 3407 Flournoy
Skelly Thos S clk 212 Illinois h 1244 Lasalle av
Skelly Turah Mrs bkpr h 3343 Armour av
Skelly Wm lab h 2215 W Harrison
Skelly Wm H clk 10, 2 Sherman h 1244 Lasalle av
Skelly Wm H clk h 3407 Flournoy
Skelly Wm M police h 5513 S Lizabeth
Skelly & Chapman (Geo W Skelly and Perley R Chapman) com mers 116 South Water
Skelly & Chapman 116 South Water
Skelly Mary A Mrs 4055 Evanton av
Lakeside Chicago, Illinois General Directory for 1917. Chicago: Chicago Directory Co., 1917.
Ericka Mnfg Co Wm Skelly mngr; hand soap 223 W 63d
Skelly Alfred J clk h 11239 Forrestville av
Skelly Annie wid Patrick J h 4937 N Sawyer av
Skelly Beatrice miss clk h 851 Wellington av
Skelly Chapman Co Perley R Champman pres; Frank D Garber sec; grocers 21 E South Water
Skelly Edward condtr h 3028 W Harrison
Skelly Elizabeth Miss clk h 1445 North Park av
Skelly Ellen Mrs h 851 Wellington av
Skelly Frank B switchman h 4837 N Sawyer av
Skelly Geo W sec Skelly-Chapman Co 21 E South Water h 7524 Rogers av
Skelly Harry C switchman h 227 W 61st pl
Skelly Harwood M clk h 4400 Greenwood av
Skelly James lab h 1 E 22d
Skelly James lab h rear 448 N Oakley bl
Skelly James J boilermkr h 207 N Karlov av
Skelly John A bkpr h 524 N Claremont av
Skelly John C carp h 2227 Orchard
Skelly John J engineer h 4551 Wentworth av
Skelly John P tel opr 219 S Lasalle h Evanston
Skelly Jos M tel opr h 635 N Clark
Skelly Jos T usher h 227 W 61st pl
Skelly Kathleen Miss clk h 6913 S Wabash av
Skelly K A Mrs clk 16th fl 5 N Wabash av h 58 W 34th
Skelly Mae C Miss stenog h 4937 N Sawyer av
Skelly Margaret J Miss h 4654 Malden
Skelly Mary wid Daniel h 227 W 61st pl
Skelly Mary A Mrs restaurant 4508 Broadway h 4540 Kenmore av
Skelly Mary E Mrs teacher 4616 Winthrop av
Skelly Matthew teamster h 1238 W Randolph
Skelly Michael J machinsit h 11237 Forrestville av
Skelly Minnie E wid Adam F h 4400 Greenwood av
Skelly Patrick J clk 10 N State h 1029 W Monroe
Skelly Robt lab h 2847 E 95th
Skelly Stelia Miss h 3028 Osgood
Skelly Thos peddle rh 5509 Blackstone av
Skelly Thos salesman 610 Federal h 1275 W Washington bl
Skelly Thos F clk 111 W Adams h 3028 Osgood
Skelly Thos F condtr h 3716 Flournoy
Skelly Walter B jr clv engr 1606, 139 N Clark h 4049 W Adams
Skelly Wm H clk 839, 175 W Jackson bl h 1125 Keystone av
Skelly Wm M police h 6229 Stewart av
Skelly Kelnik August A tinsmith h 2990 Wisner av
Skelly Estelle Miss clk 1215 Fullerton av h 1655 N Paulina
Skelly Frank iceman h 1726 Dickson
Skelly Frank lab h 1356 Bauwans
Skelly Geo tailor h 2990 Wisner av
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| | | From: okie | Sent: 8/12/2003 11:01 PM |
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Wayne,
This is from you earlier: The birthdate
is not the same, but everything else works: (I'm not sure Nels knew when he was
born!)
1900 Census, IL, Cook Co.,
Twp: West Town, Chicago, Ward 7, ED 541, Sheet 14A, Page 215,
Roll 267, Book
2, 18 June 1900, Address: 62 West Sharon
St.--Boarding w/ John G. Olsen
Anderson N.
Fossedahl, Boarder, W, M, May 1860, 40, S, NO, NO, NO,
Showcase-maker.
I won't throw it out - especially the first name and middle
initial AND the occupation, but if I were going to search the 1900 census
in this same neighborhood as 1910, where might I look? I would love to
find Inga living at home with her PARENTS whom I can't prove
existed!!
Is the above address in that area? I have been looking
at mapquest, but this Okie hasn't even visited Chicago.
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| | | From: Melody | Sent: 8/13/2003 2:28 PM |
Wayne and Carol, I think Nels knew when he was born (realize you were kidding, Wayne). My guess he was hiding information from the authorities, not his wife. Could he have been a stowaway? It happened, and I've heard a number of stories. I would think he'd be looking over his shoulder every time he had to give information. AND there is no indication that he came over and/or lived with anyone with the same surname. However, rather than using his real name, he took on the name of the Fossedal farm area where if anyone from there wished to find him, they might be able to do so. The old Fox. Melody |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 8/13/2003 2:37 PM |
Hi Carol;
First of all, that's Ward 17, not 7--need to clean the contacts on my keyboard. Secondly, my opinion, this is most certainly him--he was still playing around with the name.
BTW, there are gobs of Shogrens and Sjogrens indexed for Chicago in 1900--any thoughts on what her parents' given names were?
Here's the data you requested plus a map. Cheers, Wayne
Ward 17--1900
EDs
536 - 551
Chicago City
Enumeration Districts in this Ward are in WEST TOWNSHIP.
NARA ROLLS: T623-267 and T623-268
Bounded by: North Branch of the Chicago River., W. Lake St., N. May St., W. Chicago Ave., N. Carpenter St.
Notes: Approx. 200N-1100N and 300W-1132 West
STREET NAME CHANGES IN THIS WARD
1900 Street Name When Locating 1900 Streets on Present Day Maps, Look for:
Lessing St. Sangamon St.
Curtis St. Aberdeen St.
Austin Ave. Hubbard St.
ED 541
Chicago City WEST TOWNSHIP NARA ROLL T623-267
Bounded by: W. Chicago Ave., Milwaukee Ave., N. Carpenter St., W. Ohio St., N. Curtis St. (Aberdeen St.), W. Huron St., N. May St.
Notes: 600N-800N and 1034-1134W. It includes part of the Kennedy Expressway and has 542 embedded within it. This is south-east of his 1910 location. |
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| | | From: okie | Sent: 8/14/2003 1:12 PM |
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At a quick glance, some lived on some of those streets from
the map you sent me.
One thing that may narrow this down is Inga lists
Norway, rather than Sweden, as her place of birth in 1910
census, so maybe Ruth could check the Norway farms located in the Sogn og
Fjordane region of Norway in 1886 for this surname. (It looks
like most of those with this surname are from Sweden.)
Thanks to everyone who has taken this family on as their own
during this week. (If we have a family reunion with all our "lost"
cousins, we will have to invite Melody, as she is practically a member of the
family now.) And Wayne, you have pointed me in the right direction many
times - especailly the Cook County list.
And to the administrators of this IKK site, Janie, Maggie,
DeeAnn, thank you for your many hours spent keeping it up and running so these
success stories can continue. Much appreciation to you.
Carol
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