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Hello TJ and Sam! My "story" is as follows: I met my ex 2 years ago. He was like a "dream come true" - gorgeous looking, younger than me and seemed to want to get serious. We moved in together after 4 months of dating. I found out later that he had been seeing multiple girls during the first 4 months, as he had been "looking for a relationship" ever since he had moved here from another country. I also fouhnd out that in teh early days he had brought a number of lap strippers back to him home, for dear know what reason. As the other women possibly saw him for what he was, and even though I too knew there was something up, I wanted to help him. Unfortunately, I ended up being the one he "choose" and we moved in together. Almost from he beginning, he would say things like " I want to spend the rest of my life with you" "I feel we are soul mates" etc, which I was sucked in by, hook line and sinker. We were together 24 hours a day, as I wasn't working at this time. This is the way he seemed to want it - he didn't express an interest to go out without me and this suited me also, as I was flattered by this seeming display of devotion. One time, I received a mobile text message from an old male friend, who I hadn't heard from in years, simply saying "hello" (LITERALLY) and my ex called him and threatened to "slice his head off" if he contacted me again. This was the beginning of the paranoia and mistrust. He would accuse me of sneaking out of the house in the middle of the night?, and even caused such a scene when I would meet a girlfriend for lunch(the one time I did, he dropped me off and picked me up just to make sure that I was meeting a female). I was so much in love with him, I didn't even bother to keep in contact with my friends anymore. We were ALWAYS together. I was constantly accused of looking at other guys ( I NEVER did - I only had eyes for my ex) and couldn't so much as say thank you to a shop assistant without being blamed on "flirting" with him. He would always show up at my work (he eventually "allowed" me to go to work part-time) unexpectedly. He also told his mother and grandmother that I was "very jealous" and an alchoholic?? which they believed. I later found this out from his sister, who I got friendly with. She soon put them straight though when she found out HE was the one. She begged me on several occasions to leave him as he was the "bad apple" of the family. Also, his own mother could not stand him, and this would hurt me so bad to see his saddened reaction to this fact. He also seemed frightened of his father and this too would break my heart when he would pluck up the courage to call him, only to be shot down by his dad. His dream was to be famous. He pursued relentlessly his singing career, and I must admit, if you got famous due to persistence alone, he would be the worlds number onbe by now! He had the knack to impress people with his seeming self confidence and self belief and always got things moving and accomplished, to do with his "career". He often said that it he didn't make it, he would "rather be dead". He moved from one job to another, never really having any money to speak of. I paid most of the bills, food, and later on in the relationship, my parents allowed us to live rent free in their house, which is where we were living until I left. This was another notable part of his personality. He didn't like to spend much money on anyone, or anything, but his beloved marijuana (which he smoked every day, several times a day). In fairness, he didnt have much, but he didnt work after all. For example, he didn't buy me a christmas present last year - him mum bought him a picture frame for me, with a picture of us together (which would have been nice, if HE had've bothered to go and choose it for me!) He stole my "engagement" ring from a store (which wasn't even real and was worth very little). Don't get me wrong, I am no snob, but if he had've even spent 1 dollar on a ring, and it had've came from the heart, I would not have minded at all! All of these things hurt me, as they seemed to show a lack of respect and love for someone he aparently "loved more than life itself"................ On the other hand, I admit I am not an easy person to live with, and I often gave as good as I got when we fought etc. I think my frustration would come out when we fought, and I would call him horrible names, which I would feel extremely guilty about the next day. He would get violent and push me around during these fights, and I left him so many times as I was frightened and just so frustrated by his behaviour, Each time, he would beg me to come home and as I loved him, I always would. Never once did HE walk out on ME. In his defense, he would do things like clean the house, cook - he even carried my luggage through a crowded city as well as his own in the rain - I sometimes felt cherished by him. The final straw, so to speak, happened when he went out to do a gig (rare occasion for us to go out alone) and I went out for a drink with my sister. When I got home, I was subjected to a barrage of abuse. It lasted the entire night (4 hours); things like him calling me a dirty Who**(and worse disgusting things), "we are finished now after THIS", acusing me of cheating on him etc" - for not calling him and telling him I was going out with my sister, even though he was out. He had never went as far to say SUCH BAD things like this before. I sensed something different this time - perhaps that he had seen "better supply" while he was out and was looking for a way out of the relationship, without him looking bad? This was the FINAL STRAW. The next day, when he had sobered up, he was the usual "please dont go" and has been calling and emailling me begging me to come home in the last 10 days. Notably, he doesnt call after 11.00 at night, and little at the weekends! I would like to know your professional opinion on the situation. Do you think, from what I have said, that he sounds like someone with NPD? If so, do you think the fact that I would often give as good as I got in fights etc, and he kinda seemed almost "scared" of me sometimes, this would have made it slightly more likely to last?????? I also worry that IF he has NPD and when he finally realises that I am NOT coming home, will he start to rubbish my reputation? A while back, he threatened to tell my sisters fiancee that she had cheated on him (a long time ago) which he knew would finish their happy relationship, if I didnt go back to him. I must admit, that I miss him a lot. Sometimes, I am tempted to call him, but I dont really want to go back to him if it is all going to end in WORSE tears for me eventually. I feel bad for him being alone with noone and no money. One final question I guess would be, do you think it is possible IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES for an individual with NPD to stay with one woman and not be faithful to her, or is it inevitalbe eventually that they always stray? I may be able to cope with everything else if he didnt cheat and bring home some nasty disease. As far as I know, until last week, he hadnt cheated on me. Thank you so much for your time and sorry this is so long! 1. From my "story", in your opinion, do you think that my ex-partner could have NPD? |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 20/12/2004 5:22 p.m. |
Hi, Cheryl, and welcome aboard. I cannot respond to your question, I am afraid. Only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from NPD and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews.
All of us have narcissistic TRAITS. Some of us even develop a narcissistic PERSONALITY, or a narcissistic STYLE. Moreover, narcissism is a SPECTRUM of behaviors - from the healthy to the utterly pathological (a condition known as the Narcissistic Personality Disorder, or NPD). The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) IV-TR uses this language to describe the malignant narcissist: "An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts." So, what matters is that these characteristics, often found in healthy people, appear jointly and not separately or intermittently and that they are all-pervasive (invade, penetrate, and mould every aspect, nook, and cranny of the personality): -
That grandiose fantasies are abundantly discernible; -
That grandiose (often ridiculous) behaviors are present; -
That there is an over-riding need for admiration and adulation or attention ("narcissistic supply"); -
That the person lacks empathy (regards other people as two dimensional cartoon figures and abstractions, unable to "stand in their shoes"); -
That these traits and behaviors begin, at the latest, in early adolescence; -
That the narcissistic behaviors pervade all the social and emotional interactions of the narcissist. The DSM specifies nine diagnostic criteria. For NPD to be diagnosed, five (or more) of these criteria must be met. (In the text below, I have proposed modifications to the language of these criteria to incorporate current knowledge about this disorder. My modifications appear in bold italics.) (My amendments do not constitute a part of the text of the DSM-IV-TR, nor is the American Psychiatric Association (APA) associated with them in any way.) Click here to download a bibliography of the studies and research regarding the Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) on which I based my proposed revisions. Proposed Amended Criteria for the Narcissistic Personality Disorder - Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);
- Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
- Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
- Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
- Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
- Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
- Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
- Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
- Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.
The language in the criteria above is based on or summarized from: American Psychiatric Association. (2000). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR). Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association. Sam Vaknin. (1999-2005). Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited, sixth, revised printing Prague and Skopje: Narcissus Publication. ("Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited" http://samvak.tripod.com/faq1.html) More here: NPD At a Glance A Primer on Narcissism Take care. Sam |
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2. is it possible, IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, for an individual with NPD to stay with one woman and be faithful to her, or is it inevitable that they always cheat eventually? |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 21/12/2004 4:48 p.m. |
Hi, Cheryl, Narcissists "love" their spouses or other significant others �?/SPAN> as long as they continue to reliably provide them with Narcissistic Supply (in one word, with attention). Inevitably, they regard others as mere "sources", objects, or functions. Lacking empathy and emotional maturity, the narcissist's love is pathological. But the precise locus of the pathology depends on the narcissist's stability or instability in different parts of his life. The narcissist is a person who derives his Ego (and Ego functions) from other people's reactions to an image he invents and projects, called the False Self (Narcissistic Supply). Since no absolute control over the quantity and quality of Narcissistic Supply is possible �?it is bound to fluctuate �?the narcissist's view of himself and of his world is correspondingly and equally volatile. As "public opinion" ebbs and flows, so do the narcissist's self-confidence, self-esteem, sense of self-worth, or, in other words, so does his Self. Even the narcissist's convictions are subject to a never-ending process of vetting by others. The narcissistic personality is unstable in each and every one of its dimensions. It is the ultimate hybrid: rigidly amorphous, devoutly flexible, reliant for its sustenance on the opinion of people, whom the narcissist undervalues. A large part of this instability is subsumed under the Emotional Involvement Prevention Measures (EIPM) that I describe in the Essay. The narcissist's lability is so ubiquitous and so dominant �?that it might well be described as the ONLY stable feature of his personality. The narcissist does everything with one goal in mind: to attract Narcissistic Supply (attention). An example of this kind of behaviour: The narcissist may study a given subject diligently and in great depth in order to impress people later with this newly acquired erudition. But, having served its purpose, the narcissist lets the knowledge thus acquired evaporate. The narcissist maintains a sort of a "short-term" cell or warehouse where he stores whatever may come handy in the pursuit of Narcissistic Supply. But he is almost never really interested in what he does, studies, and experiences. From the outside, this might be perceived as instability. But think about it this way: the narcissist is constantly preparing for life's "exams" and feels that he is on a permanent trial. It is common to forget material studied only in preparation for an exam or for a court appearance. Short-term memory is perfectly normal. What sets the narcissist apart is the fact that, with him, this short-termism is a CONSTANT state of affairs and affects ALL his functions, not only those directly related to learning, or to emotions, or to experience, or to any single dimension of his life. Thus, the narcissist learns, remembers and forgets not in line with his real interests or hobbies, he loves and hates not the real subjects of his emotions but one dimensional, utilitarian, cartoons constructed by him. He judges, praises and condemns �?all from the narrowest possible point of view: the potential to extract Narcissistic Supply. He asks not what he can do with the world and in it �?but what can the world do for him as far as Narcissistic Supply goes. He falls in and out of love with people, workplaces, residences, vocations, hobbies, interests �?because they seem to be able to provide more or less Narcissistic Supply and for no other reason. Still, narcissists belong to two broad categories: the "compensatory stability" and the "enhancing instability" types. I. Compensatory Stability ("Classic") Narcissists These narcissists isolate one or more (but never most) aspects of their lives and "make these aspect/s stable". They do not really invest themselves in it. This stability is maintained by artificial means: money, celebrity, power, fear. A typical example is a narcissist who changes numerous workplaces, a few careers, a myriad of hobbies, value systems or faiths. At the same time, he maintains (preserves) a relationship with a single woman (and even remains faithful to her). She is his "island of stability". To fulfil this role, she just needs to be there for him physically. The narcissist is dependent upon "his" woman to maintain the stability lacking in all other areas of his life (to compensate for his instability). Yet, emotional closeness is bound to threaten the narcissist. Thus, he is likely to distance himself from her and to remain detached and indifferent to most of her needs. Despite this cruel emotional treatment, the narcissist considers her to be a point of exit, a form of sustenance, a fountain of empowerment. This mismatch between what he wishes to receive and what he is able to give, the narcissist prefers to deny, repress and bury deep in his unconscious. This is why he is always shocked and devastated to learn of his wife's estrangement, infidelity, or intentions to divorce him. Possessed of no emotional depth, being completely one track minded �?he cannot fathom the needs of others. In other words, he cannot empathise. Another �?even more common �?case is the "career narcissist". This narcissist marries, divorces and remarries with dizzying speed. Everything in his life is in constant flux: friends, emotions, judgements, values, beliefs, place of residence, affiliations, hobbies. Everything, that is, except his work. His career is the island of compensating stability in his otherwise mercurial existence. This kind of narcissist is dogged by unmitigated ambition and devotion. He perseveres in one workplace or one job, patiently, persistently and blindly climbing up the corporate ladder and treading the career path. In his pursuit of job fulfilment and achievements, the narcissist is ruthless and unscrupulous �?and, very often, successful. II. Enhancing Instability ("Borderline") Narcissist The other kind of narcissist enhances instability in one aspect or dimension of his life �?by introducing instability in others. Thus, if such a narcissist resigns (or, more likely, is made redundant) �?he also relocates to another city or country. If he divorces, he is also likely to resign his job. This added instability gives this type of narcissist the feeling that all the dimensions of his life are changing simultaneously, that he is being "unshackled", that a transformation is in progress. This, of course, is an illusion. Those who know the narcissist, no longer trust his frequent "conversions", "decisions", "crises", "transformations", "developments" and "periods". They see through his pretensions, protestations, and solemn declarations into the core of his instability. They know that he is not to be relied upon. They know that with narcissists, temporariness is the only permanence. Narcissists hate routine. When a narcissist finds himself doing the same things over and over again, he gets depressed. He oversleeps, over-eats, over-drinks and, in general, engages in addictive, impulsive, reckless, and compulsive behaviours. This is his way of re-introducing risk and excitement into what he (emotionally) perceives to be a barren life. The problem is that even the most exciting and varied existence becomes routine after a while. Living in the same country or apartment, meeting the same people, doing essentially the same things (even with changing content) �?all "qualify", in the eyes of the narcissist, as stultifying rote. The narcissist feels entitled. He feels it is his right �?due to his intellectual or physical superiority �?to lead a thrilling, rewarding, kaleidoscopic life. He wants to force life itself, or at least people around him, to yield to his wishes and needs, supreme among them the need for stimulating variety. This rejection of habit is part of a larger pattern of aggressive entitlement. The narcissist feels that the very existence of a sublime intellect (such as his) warrants concessions and allowances by others. Thus, standing in line is a waste of time better spent pursuing knowledge, inventing and creating. The narcissist should avail himself of the best medical treatment proffered by the most prominent medical authorities �?lest the precious asset that is the narcissist is lost to Mankind. He should not be bothered with trivial pursuits �?these lowly functions are best assigned to the less gifted. The devil is in paying precious attention to detail. Entitlement is sometimes justified in a Picasso or an Einstein. But few narcissists are either. Their achievements are grotesquely incommensurate with their overwhelming sense of entitlement and with their grandiose self-image. Of course, this overpowering sense of superiority often serves to mask and compensate for a cancerous complex of inferiority. Moreover, the narcissist infects others with his projected grandiosity and their feedback constitutes the edifice upon which he constructs his self-esteem. He regulates his sense of self worth by rigidly insisting that he is above the madding crowd while deriving his Narcissistic Supply from the very people he holds in deep contempt. But there is a second angle to this abhorrence of the predictable. Narcissists employ a host of Emotional Involvement Prevention Measures (EIPM's). Despising routine and avoiding it is one of these mechanisms. Their function is to prevent the narcissist from getting emotionally involved and, subsequently, hurt. Their application results in an "approach-avoidance repetition complex". The narcissist, fearing and loathing intimacy, stability and security �?yet craving them �?approaches and then avoids significant others or important tasks in a rapid succession of apparently inconsistent and disconnected cycles. Also Read The Adrenaline Junkie The Narcissist's Time The Losses of the Narcissist The Discontinuous Narcissist The Entitlement of Routine The Habitual Identity The Compulsive Acts of a Narcissist Emotional Involvement Preventive Measures Narcissism, Substance Abuse, and Reckless Behaviors Misdiagnosing Narcissism - The Bipolar I Disorder Narcissists are either cerebral or somatic. In other words, they either generate their Narcissistic Supply by applying their bodies or by applying their minds. The somatic narcissist flaunts his sexual conquests, parades his possessions, exhibits his muscles, brags about his physical aesthetics or sexual prowess or exploits, is often a health freak and a hypochondriac. The cerebral narcissist is a know-it-all, haughty and intelligent "computer". He uses his awesome intellect, or knowledge (real or pretended) to secure adoration, adulation and admiration. To him, his body and its maintenance are a burden and a distraction. Both types are auto-erotic (psychosexually in love with themselves, with their bodies and with their brain). Both types prefer masturbation to adult, mature, interactive, multi-dimensional and emotion-laden sex. The cerebral narcissist is often celibate (even when he has a girlfriend or a spouse). He prefers pornography and sexual auto-stimulation to the real thing. The cerebral narcissist is sometimes a latent (hidden, not yet outed) homosexual. The somatic narcissist uses other people's bodies to masturbate. Sex with him - pyrotechnics and acrobatics aside - is likely to be an impersonal and emotionally alienating and draining experience. The partner is often treated as an object, an extension of the somatic narcissist, a toy, a warm and pulsating vibrator. It is a mistake to assume type-constancy. In other words, all narcissists are BOTH cerebral and somatic. In each narcissist, one of the types is dominant. So, the narcissist is either OVERWHELMINGLY cerebral - or DOMINANTLY somatic. But the other type, the recessive (manifested less frequently) type, is there. It is lurking, waiting to erupt. The narcissist swings between his dominant type and his recessive type. The latter is expressed mainly as a result of a major narcissistic injury or life crisis. Also Read My Woman and I Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hide The Narcissist and His Family Narcissists - Stable or Unstable? The Extramarital Narcissist The World of the Narcissist Homosexual Narcissists The Narcissistic Couple Physique Dysmorphique Narcissists and Women The Two Loves of the Narcissist Portrait of the Narcissist as a Young Man That Thing Between a Man and a Woman Take care. Sam |
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Do individuals with NPD always resort to "slandering" their ex-partner when they finally realise that the relationship is over (when they find another secondary source or their partner ignores their pleas etc), or do they sometimes just forget and move on with their lives? |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 22/12/2004 5:35 p.m. |
Hi, Cheryl, Everything a narcissist does (or refrains from doing) is geared towards one goal: to obtain and secure the flow of narcissistic supply. If slandering you facilitates the flow of narcissistic supply (for instance, by provoking the sympathy and commiseration of his listeners) - he will slander you. If all else fails, the abuser recruits friends, colleagues, mates, family members, the authorities, institutions, neighbours, the media, teachers �?/SPAN> in short, third parties �?/SPAN> to do his bidding. He uses them to cajole, coerce, threaten, stalk, offer, retreat, tempt, convince, harass, communicate and otherwise manipulate his target. He controls these unaware instruments exactly as he plans to control his ultimate prey. He employs the same mechanisms and devices. And he dumps his props unceremoniously when the job is done. One form of control by proxy is to engineer situations in which abuse is inflicted upon another person. Such carefully crafted scenarios of embarrassment and humiliation provoke social sanctions (condemnation, opprobrium, or even physical punishment) against the victim. Society, or a social group become the instruments of the abuser. Abusers often use other people to do their dirty work for them. These - sometimes unwitting - accomplices belong to three groups: I. The abuser's social milieu Some offenders - mainly in patriarchal and misogynist societies �?/SPAN> co-opt other family members, friends, and colleagues into aiding and abetting their abusive conduct. In extreme cases, the victim is held "hostage" - isolated and with little or no access to funds or transportation. Often, the couple's children are used as bargaining chips or leverage. Ambient abuse by the abuser's clan, kin, kith, and village or neighborhood is rampant. II. The victim's social milieu Even the victim's relatives, friends, and colleagues are amenable to the considerable charm, persuasiveness, and manipulativeness of the abuser and to his impressive thespian skills. The abuser offers a plausible rendition of the events and interprets them to his favor. Others rarely have a chance to witness an abusive exchange first hand and at close quarters. In contrast, the victims are often on the verge of a nervous breakdown: harassed, unkempt, irritable, impatient, abrasive, and hysterical. Confronted with this contrast between a polished, self-controlled, and suave abuser and his harried casualties �?/SPAN> it is easy to reach the conclusion that the real victim is the abuser, or that both parties abuse each other equally. The prey's acts of self-defense, assertiveness, or insistence on her rights are interpreted as aggression, lability, or a mental health problem. III. The System The abuser perverts the system - therapists, marriage counselors, mediators, court-appointed guardians, police officers, and judges. He uses them to pathologize the victim and to separate her from her sources of emotional sustenance - notably, from her children. Forms of Abuse by Proxy Socially isolating and excluding the victim by discrediting her through a campaign of malicious rumors. Harassing the victim by using others to stalk her or by charging her with offenses she did not commit. Provoking the victim into aggressive or even antisocial conduct by having others threaten her or her loved ones. Colluding with others to render the victim dependent on the abuser. But, by far, her children are the abuser's greatest source of leverage over his abused spouse or mate. The abuser often recruits his children to do his bidding. He uses them to tempt, convince, communicate, threaten, and otherwise manipulate his target, the children's other parent or a devoted relative (e.g., grandparents). He controls his - often gullible and unsuspecting - offspring exactly as he plans to control his ultimate prey. He employs the same mechanisms and devices. And he dumps his props unceremoniously when the job is done - which causes tremendous (and, typically, irreversible) emotional hurt. Co-opting Some offenders - mainly in patriarchal and misogynist societies �?/SPAN> co-opt their children into aiding and abetting their abusive conduct. The couple's children are used as bargaining chips or leverage. They are instructed and encouraged by the abuser to shun the victim, criticize and disagree with her, withhold their love or affection, and inflict on her various forms of ambient abuse. As I wrote in Abuse by Proxy: "Even the victim's (children) are amenable to the considerable charm, persuasiveness, and manipulativeness of the abuser and to his impressive thespian skills. The abuser offers a plausible rendition of the events and interprets them to his favor. The victims are often on the verge of a nervous breakdown: harassed, unkempt, irritable, impatient, abrasive, and hysterical. Confronted with this contrast between a polished, self-controlled, and suave abuser and his harried casualties �?/SPAN> it is easy to reach the conclusion that the real victim is the abuser, or that both parties abuse each other equally. The prey's acts of self-defense, assertiveness, or insistence on her rights are interpreted as aggression, lability, or a mental health problem." This is especially true with young - and, therefore vulnerable - offspring, particularly if they live with the abuser. They are frequently emotionally blackmailed by him ("If you want daddy to love you, do this or refrain from doing that"). They lack life experience and adult defenses against manipulation. They may be dependent on the abuser economically and they always resent the abused for breaking up the family, for being unable to fully cater to their needs (she has to work for a living), and for "cheating" on her ex with a new boyfriend or husband. Co-opting The System The abuser perverts the system - therapists, marriage counselors, mediators, court-appointed guardians, police officers, and judges. He uses them to pathologize the victim and to separate her from her sources of emotional sustenance - notably, from her children. The abuser seeks custody to pain his ex and punish her. Threatening Abusers are insatiable and vindictive. They always feel deprived and unfairly treated. Some of them are paranoid and sadistic. If they fail to manipulate their common children into abandoning the other parent, they begin treat the kids as enemies. They are not above threatening the children, abducting them, abusing them (sexually, physically, or psychologically), or even outright harming them - in order to get back at the erstwhile partner or in order to make her do something. Most victims attempt to present to their children a "balanced" picture of the relationship and of the abusive spouse. In a vain attempt to avoid the notorious (and controversial) Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), they do not besmirch the abusive parent and, on the contrary, encourage the semblance of a normal, functional, liaison. This is the wrong approach. Not only is it counterproductive - it sometimes proves outright dangerous. Take care. Sam |
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If an narcissist is young enough, could they possibly change through time or could their NPD possibly be drug induced (i.e by marijuana use for several years from early teens)? |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 23/12/2004 2:14 p.m. |
Hi, Cheryl, Pathological narcissism is an addiction to Narcissistic Supply, the narcissist's drug of choice. It is, therefore, not surprising that other addictive and reckless behaviours �?workaholism, alcoholism, drug abuse, pathological gambling, compulsory shopping, or reckless driving �?piggyback on this primary dependence. The narcissist �?like other types of addicts �?derives pleasure from these exploits. But they also sustain and enhance his grandiose fantasies as "unique", "superior", "entitled", and "chosen". They place him above the laws and pressures of the mundane and away from the humiliating and sobering demands of reality. They render him the centre of attention �?but also place him in "splendid isolation" from the madding and inferior crowd. Such compulsory and wild pursuits provide a psychological exoskeleton. They are a substitute to quotidian existence. They afford the narcissist with an agenda, with timetables, goals, and faux achievements. The narcissist �?the adrenaline junkie �?feels that he is in control, alert, excited, and vital. He does not regard his condition as dependence. The narcissist firmly believes that he is in charge of his addiction, that he can quit at will and on short notice. The narcissist denies his cravings for fear of "losing face" and subverting the flawless, perfect, immaculate, and omnipotent image he projects. When caught red handed, the narcissist underestimates, rationalises, or intellectualises his addictive and reckless behaviours �?converting them into an integral part of his grandiose and fantastic False Self. Thus, a drug abusing narcissist may claim to be conducting first hand research for the benefit of humanity �?or that his substance abuse results in enhanced creativity and productivity. The dependence of some narcissists becomes a way of life: busy corporate executives, race car drivers, or professional gamblers come to mind. The narcissist's addictive behaviours take his mind off his inherent limitations, inevitable failures, painful and much-feared rejections, and the Grandiosity Gap �?the abyss between the image he projects (the False Self) and the injurious truth. They relieve his anxiety and resolve the tension between his unrealistic expectations and inflated self-image �?and his incommensurate achievements, position, status, recognition, intelligence, wealth, and physique. Thus, there is no point in treating the dependence and recklessness of the narcissist without first treating the underlying personality disorder. The narcissist's addictions serve deeply ingrained emotional needs. They intermesh seamlessly with the pathological structure of his disorganised personality, with his character faults, and primitive defence mechanisms. Techniques such as "12 steps" may prove more efficacious in treating the narcissist's grandiosity, rigidity, sense of entitlement, exploitativeness, and lack of empathy. This is because �?as opposed to traditional treatment modalities �?the emphasis is on tackling the narcissist's psychological makeup, rather than on behaviour modification. The narcissist's overwhelming need to feel omnipotent and superior can be co-opted in the therapeutic process. Overcoming an addictive behaviour can be �?truthfully �?presented by the therapist as a rare and impressive feat, worthy of the narcissist's unique mettle. Narcissists fall for these transparent pitches surprisingly often. But this approach can backfire. Should the narcissist relapse �?an almost certain occurrence �?he will feel ashamed to admit his fallibility, need for emotional sustenance, and impotence. He is likely to avoid treatment altogether and convince himself that now, having succeeded once to get rid of his addiction, he is self-sufficient and omniscient. Does old age ameliorate the pernicious symptoms and effects of NPD?
The Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a systemic, all-pervasive condition, very much like pregnancy: either you have it or you don't. Once you have it, you have it day and night, it is an inseparable part of the personality, a recurrent set of behavior patterns. Recent research shows that there is a condition which might be called "Transient or Temporary or Short Term Narcissism" as opposed to the full-fledged Narcissistic Personality Disorder, (NPD). (Ronningstam, 1996). The phenomenon of "Reactive Narcissistic Regression" or "Acquired Situational Narcissism" is well known: people regress to a transient narcissistic phase in reaction to a major life crisis which threatens their mental composure. There are narcissistic touches in every personality and in this sense, all of us are narcissists to a certain extent. But this is a far cry from the NPD pathology. One bit of good news: no one knows why, but, in certain, rare, cases, with age (in one's forties), the disorder - especially its antisocial manifestations - seems to decay and, finally, stay on in the form of a subdued mutation of itself. This does not universally occur, though. Also Read The Inverted Narcissist Acquired Situational Narcissism Can a Narcissist Help himself ? The Reconditioned Narcissist Treatment Modalities and Psychotherapies Still, far more often, the narcissist ages without mercy and without grace. His withered body and his overwrought mind betray him all at once. He stares with incredulity and rage at cruel mirrors. He refuses to accept his growing fallibility. He rebels against his decrepitude and mediocrity. Accustomed to being awe-inspiring and the recipient of adulation - the narcissist cannot countenance his social isolation and the pathetic figure that he cuts. As a child prodigy, a sex symbol, a stud, a public intellectual, an actor, an idol - the narcissist was at the centre of attention, the eye of his personal twister, a black hole which sucked people's energy and resources dry and spat out with indifference their mutilated carcasses. No longer. With old age comes disillusionment. Old charms wear thin. Having been exposed for what he is - a deceitful, treacherous, malignant egotist - the narcissist's old tricks now fail him. People are on their guard, their gullibility reduced. The narcissist - being the rigid, precariously balanced structure that he is - can't change. He reverts to old forms, re-adopts hoary habits, succumbs to erstwhile temptations. He is made a mockery by his accentuated denial of reality, by his obdurate refusal to grow up, an eternal, malformed child in the sagging body of a decaying man. It is the fable of the grasshopper and the ant revisited. The narcissist - the grasshopper - having relied on supercilious stratagems throughout his life - is singularly ill-adapted to life's rigors and tribulations. He feels entitled - but fails to elicit Narcissistic Supply. Wrinkled time makes child prodigies lose their magic, lovers exhaust their potency, philanderers waste their allure, and geniuses miss their touch. The longer the narcissist lives - the more average he becomes. The wider the gulf between his pretensions and his accomplishments - the more he is the object of derision and contempt. Yet, few narcissists save for rainy days. Few bother to study a trade, or get a degree, pursue a career, maintain a business, keep their jobs, or raise functioning families, nurture their friendships, or broaden their horizons. Narcissists are perennially ill-prepared. Those who succeed in their vocation, end up bitterly alone having squandered the love of spouse, off-spring, and mates. The more gregarious and family-orientated - often flunk at work, leap from one job to another, relocate erratically, forever itinerant and peripatetic. The contrast between his youth and prime and his dilapidated present constitutes a permanent narcissistic injury. The narcissist retreats deeper into himself to find solace. He withdraws into the penumbral universe of his grandiose fantasies. There - almost psychotic - he salves his wounds and comforts himself with trophies of his past. A rare minority of narcissists accept their fate with fatalism or good humour. These precious few are healed mysteriously by the deepest offense to their megalomania - old age. They lose their narcissism and confront the outer world with the poise and composure that they lacked when they were captives of their own, distorted, narrative. Such changed narcissists develop new, more realistic, expectations and hopes - commensurate with their talents, skills, accomplishments and education. Ironically, it is invariably too late. They are avoided and ignored, rendered transparent by their checkered past. They are passed over for promotion, never invited to professional or social gatherings, cold-shouldered by the media. They are snubbed and disregarded. They are never the recipients of perks, benefits, or awards. They are blamed when not blameworthy and rarely praised when deserving. They are being constantly and consistently punished for who they were. It is poetic justice in more than one way. They are being treated narcissistically by their erstwhile victims. They finally are tasting their own medicine, the bitter harvest of their wrath and arrogance. Take care. Sam |
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5. If an individual successfully has no contact with an narcissist for a long period of time and the N then proceeds to carry out a threat (telling a relatives fiancee, not even a friend, that she cheated on him in the past, with the intention that they will split) in your opinion,do you think this could be a sign that they finally have accepted the relationship is over, knowing for sure that there would be no way in hell I would take them back after doing such a despicable act to innocent people??? I hope you understand what I am asking in this question, and that it isn't too confusing. Thank you again for all of your invaluable assistance!! |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 24/12/2004 4:10 p.m. |
Hi, Cheryl, I fully answered your question in post 7 of this thread. Abuse by proxy is not a sign that the abuser gave up on you. He will keep trying to re-establish a "relationship" with you. Narcissists are addicted to a drug known as "Narcissistic Supply". Attention (good OR bad), adulation, applause, fame, celebrity, notoriety - are all narcissistic supply. The people who supply these consistently, reliably, and predictably, are called "Narcissistic Supply Sources". Why should the narcissist look for another source of supply if the current source of supply is available and always accepts him back? Cultivating a source of secondary narcissistic supply is a VERY time consuming and energy depleting affair. The narcissist always prefers the path of least resistance (reverting to old sources). The old source has the advantage of having witnessed and "recorded" the narcissist's past grandeur. Her very repeated "surrender" and "yielding to his charm" IS the narcissistic supply he seeks. More generally, the narcissist sort of pushes the envelope, trying to ascertain and map the outer limits of his potency as an irresistible male and desirable mate. The more tortured the relationship - the sweeter the recurrent "victory" (reconciliation). This is doubly true when the narcissist is in the throes of life crises such as loss of a job, divorce, serious illness, etc. Merry Christmas! Sam |
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