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| | From: ·TammyJo· (Original Message) | Sent: 29/03/2004 1:21 a.m. |
Congrats to GTail who is this weeks Case Study! Here's his story: Two years before I met my xN, I was living 7 miles from the gulf of mexico, in a pool home on a golf course. Three kids, a professional making great money, a beautiful wife I met 20 years earlier in high school immediately after I moved 1,000 away from my home town, and a great life.
My wife and I became somewhat estranged after the birth of our third child and it was HER that pulled away from me. I tried counseling, church, romantic weekends away, anything. Then one day she told me she wasn't sure if she still loved me anymore. My world came crashing down.
I moved into the spare bedroom and continued try. Two years went by..and I finally came to be strong enough to say that while I would always love and care for my wife, and absolutely be committed to my kids, there was something else out there for me. Here we go...
December 2000 I emailed my xN out of the blue on a high school web site. You know which one it is. Just to say 'hello.' I hadn't seen or heard from her in 20 years..we were old 'jr high school' boyfriend/girlfriend kind of people. I learned later after I moved that she had become promiscuious in high school, dating guys 10+ years older than her (father/caregiver complex I'm sure) and that she was wild. But as adults I felt that we could honestly connect in just a 'friendly, nice' way. Two weeks later she emailed me..one week before Christmas.
We hit it off BIG time. I noticed she kept her maiden name and thought she was single; turns out no, she's married, but that she caught her husband IN THE ACT with another woman. She literally walked down the street to this woman's house and opened the front door. Went home and cut his clothes into shreds and threw them on her front lawn. YES..HER front lawn since the house was in HER NAME ONLY. Major red flags I didn't pick up on.
Friendly emails became sexual, cell phones were exchanged, pictures on the net. She's gained a ton of weight and looks somewhat older than me (she's 3 years younger) but that's life. Little did I know (which I would later learn) her aging had become suddend over the past few years and the chronic drinking and bar hopping was catching up to her. She was 1000 miles away back in our home town (she always seemed to gravitate back to the little town (suburb of a big city) where we both grew up. Packages at valentines day and then the news: She's coming down where I live for vacation and wants to see me. Wow. I had NEVER been unfaitful to my wife, but the love was gone. The next month, March 2001, I met her at a hotel on the beach.
It was a magical night.
No intention of sex, but when I saw her...she smiled, I smiled, and I pinned her up against the wall in a deep, passionate kiss. So many emotions had built up over four months...wow. We made love over an over...and talked on the balcony. Then making love. Then talking...then tears. Honest to goodness sadness.
I saw her again the following month and the month after that. Then the news: I was being transferred and guess where? Yep...to our old hometown.
To cut to the chase: When I left my wife and children were NOT coming with me. We had decided to seperate. Within three months they did relocate because "your kids miss you G." NOT my wife, my kids.
Three months afterwards (January 2002) my XN kicks her husband out of the house. THEN the inconsistancies begin to form:
*Driving to her house for the Super Bowl she calls me 10 mintues from her house (it was an hour drive) to cancel because 'my girlfriend's coming over.' *The next month on Valentines Day (our first together) I get an email stating how excited she was to see me that night. Same thing..on the way over, a cancellation because "i'm moving the x's stuff out of the house.' I'm pulling into her drive as I get the call and her g/f and her g/f's husband ARE there...but drinking wine. They leave. This is the first time I'm honestly pissed and she knows it..I leave quietly and turn off my phone for the hour drive home. *Countless times of her phone being turned off, unavailable at home (she states she goes to bed at 8pm...no way) and countless inconsistancies.
Fast forward to October of that year. I get an email, an EMAIL, stating her and her husband are reconciling.
I was in shock. It was almost 2 years since we first met. Vacations together that summer, dinners, fine dining, waking up next to each other. I was living at home but in the guest room and literally came and went as I pleased. I was in LOVE...DEEP love, and we were making life long plans together. She was in her late 30's with no children and wanted children SO BAD. I had agreed to get a reversal..for OUR family. Because I loved her with all my heart. To break up via email?? Not even a call??
Told me over and over how her mom, dad, step dad told her I was the BEST thing to ever happen to her. That they had NEVER liked ANYONE she was ever with..I was the first man they honestly LIKED. Her dad would see my car in her drive and u turn just to come over and say hello to me. Used to piss her off to a point of saying: He likes you better than me. LOL Her sister's loved me, her nieces and nephews called me uncle. Now I'm being dumped over an email?
It lasted 2 weeks.
Until her g/f calls begging me to talk to my xN. I did. Like a trusting idiot...I did. Went to her house..she was a mess. Crying...missing me. We made love..I didn't want to and SO tried, SO talked myself out of it BEFORE I EVEN GOT THERE but I was too damn weak. And I loved her SO much, right??
Three weeks later..my birthday. A romantic weekend away...so magical. Expensive fine dining, hotels, and nice gifts from her. We went dutch! LOL I would've paid (as usual) but we did split the costs which I found ODD. I thought we were a COUPLE...I'll offer I told her. And if she wanted to buy something, or pay for drinks/dinner, go ahead. But I always offered to pay 100% and thought if was no big deal...we were a couple.
Part of my birthday? The remote to her garage.
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We're on our way. And I begin asking if she wants to move forward where we left off. Yes she tells me. Time is running out and I want a baby with you (me). I'm SO happy...and at the same time, sad that I begin formal seperation and divorce proceeding. My xN? Wont talk about it. She owes her husband $X (which I offer to pay for) but no, she cant take 'my money.' If we're going to start a new life together I told her, we're in this together and let's start a life together! I'll help!!
We go on vacations, trips, wonderful weekends together and become closer. Her dad brings plans for his dream house to her house while her and I are cooking out one evening. She wants to build this house with ME back where I moved from. And to top it all off, she's been offered a transfer BACK to where I came from. I tell her it would be easier on my soon to be ex and my children should they move back there too (family and friends) and yes, I could file in that state. We could build that home together. We have scheduled appointments with a urologist for my reversal. We are ready!
This was June of last summer.
We were together 2 1/2 years up to this point. With easter, communion, birthday parties ALL spent with her and her family. I was TRULY a part of the family. Easter was spent with her, not my own children. It was obvious where this was going and her little nuances? Just a bad day here and there. The hanging up the phone because 'she' done with the conversation.' Just her. Disappearing for a couple days after she would break plans? She loves me, there isn't anyone else. Right?
The neighbors know me..I shovel the drive, take out the trash. Neighbors walk by and ask when we're moving. Life is great..and I'm in love for the first time in years...honestly in love.
The next month, we have a WONDERFUL July 4 at her sisters. She tells me how happy her sister is and how lucky the family is that she's finally found happiness.
The next Monday, I join her with her company at a two day retreat at a vacation spot. Her best friend 'at her work' tells me: 'if you hurt her g, i'll kill you. She wants to marry you; how's the divorce going?' I tell her friend: 'It's going; but if anyone's going to break anyone's heart here, it isn't going to be me.'
How prophetic.
Three days later her old roommate from college dies unexpectedly. I go to her home in the middle of the night and comfort her. We make love all night..she tells me that I'm the best lover she's EVER had and was it bad to want that on the day her friend died. NO I tell her, I'm here..I'll always be here. You called me your soulmate (LOLOLOLOL) and we're a couple. You can count on me XN.
I leave the next morning..and get a call that afternoon saying that she wanted to go to her 20th high school reunion after all that evening. I encourage her to get out of the house and go...have a good time. No call that night. The next day, a call breaking our dinner plans because "I had a great time with the girls last night and want to go back tonight." Before I can say a word: "I'm not inviting you G because it is a girls night out."
Ok
Seems she met a man the first night of the reunion and took him home. Spent the night. The next day? She paraded him around the neighborhood block party as 'a rich attorney who is VERY interested in me.' They were spotted at a fine dining place that night and he spent that night with her too.
The next day? A call from her at the airport as she was going on vacation for a week. Expressing that she missed me but would be back in a week. The following week, we spoke but rarely..I knew something was up.
The following week it was over. Was told she met someone and that he was going to spend the weekend at her home. Told me the exact dates. At this time I didn't know about the cheating on her reunion, but I shortly would.
Seems she D&D's the original g/f I wrote about earlier less than ONE WEEK after she returned from her vacation. Inticed a bar buddy to follow this g/f one night and they found her having dinner with the bar buddy's ex b/f from five years ago. In a drunken stupor accused the g/f of 'breaking the girl code' of dating a fellow g/f's ex b/f. LOL This had nothing to do with the XN but she took it upon herself to tell her g/f of five years to pretty much go screw herself.
So the g/f calls me. And spills the beans on every single one of my xN's infidelites, lies, betrayals over the past three years. What I thought was SO off the top to invite a stranger into her home she hadn't seen in 20 years was even MORE over the top when I learned of the very rules she was creating were the rules she was betraying. There were over four different men (including boyfriends of her girlfriends) she had been with during the past three years. Now a strange man had shared the same bed I was in less than 24 hours after I had left. Now he's spending the weekend????????
Because she states: he has money (I make over 6 figures...but I'm not of the job status he has); he has no children (lie, he has three); he is divorced (lie, he claims he's separated); he went to x school (lie, he went to a city college). All these points were spoken to me to belittle me, to put me in a position of lesser being...and they were all lies.
So for the next six months...the push/pull. The having her cake and eat it too. She really became a woman who was an absolute stranger to me. She would tell me that I was clipping her wings because I had a genuinely hard time accepting her going to drink herself into a drunk stupor five nights a week..and parading herself in front of other drunk men. I WAS THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM!! I was accused of not trusting HER...and she would hang up the phone...SAYING: I;M NOT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION...GOOD BYE.
This, after over 2 1/2 years. And less than one month after telling her best friend (who she d&d's): I"m going to marry G...you need to learn to accept that." According to her ex best friend, the x b/f said: Even after 2 1/2 years I dont know G that well since you never let he and I get to know each other.
There is so MUCH MORE...but I'm not sure how much you want to hear on the first post. I never saw this coming. She told me over and over how she loved me, would always 'have my back,' that I was the 'nicest, kindest man,' and was the 'best lover EVER' because 'you know me inside and out.' We became friends first...confidantes...and fell in love. My move seemed like destiny...and our connection seemed so natural and easygoing...and loving..and real. She was SO kind and loving...and SO drunk...and SO evil...and SO kind and loving.
But the cord was cut quickly. And without remorse. I was in shock. I lost 20 pounds. Couldn't sleep, couldn't eat, or focus. My best friend, my lover, the woman I wanted to marry. How, within days, could she plan a WEEKEND with another man?????? First the reason was to date someone, I could handle that. But by this time not only was intimacy inevitable, and she made sure I KNEW THE DATES, but intimacy had already occured.
I dont mean to ramble. I have been moving nicely past this..and this is all flooding back to my mind and my fingers can't keep up. I appreciate your thoughts on this Sam. Literally, days after he would leave, she would call and we would connect. Little did I know that she wasn't trying to reconcile with me, but that I was being used as a human sex toy. And unfortunately my mind was being used too. Until I found this site last November.
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Here is the first question: Question:
*How can someone talk about life-long plans with someone, claim everylasting 'once in a life time love,' be intimate in the morning and have a stranger in her bed the same night? She wanted children SO bad and I was the ONE. What happpened?
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 30/03/2004 6:10 p.m. |
Hi, GTail, and welcome, It is tough enough to try to truly understand what makes NORMAL people tick - how do you expect to comprehend WHY she, a pathological narcissist (and histrionic) behaved the way she did? Moreover, what makes you think SHE understands why she behaves the way she does? And finally, what gives you the impression that there are REASONS for everything that has happened to you? The two things the victims find most difficult to accept in a relationship with a narcissist are: |
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Thank you Sam. Man to man, thank you. I would like to expand on what has transpired since my original d&d last summer with updates as the months wore on, up to this point. I would also like to pose a question after each daily post. True, so hard to accept that she lost interest after professing the SAME day how much she enjoyed my body, my mind, and life with me. But harder to accept that is was a lie all along. That a man of my perception, humor, love, could be reduced to a sniviling ball of lack of self esteem. I went from a happy, confident, self assured man to that sniviling ball of lack of self esteem...and the arrows came from the ONE woman I had totally, absolutely let my guard down for and gave my soul. Thanks again Sam. |
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Next Question: *She claims the fact this guy is from the same town as her girlfriend that died was a 'sign' that this guy's the one. But she's been seeing me on the side too. I know I was a safety net to see if this was going to pan out between them, but lately I've heard there's ANOTHER man on the side whom has been a drinking buddy and then 'overnight' at her house. He's offered to fix up her house, roof, patio, etc, and then playful talk of 'selling the house' and 'starting a life together.' Obvious she is using him too. QUESTION: What type of disorder to you think she has and why didn't I see this coming? Obviously she was capable of hiding this for 2 1/2 years. Did her 'friends' death really trigger something?
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 31/03/2004 1:40 p.m. |
Dear GTail, Only a qualified mental health diagnostician - which I am not (more about me here: http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/indexqa.html ) - can determine whether someone suffers from a persionality disorder (or other mental health problem) and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews. Having said that, she displays behaviors typical of the Histrionic, Borderline, and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Read more about these disorders here: Why didn't you see it coming? Narcissists are an elusive breed, hard to spot, harder to pinpoint, impossible to capture. Even an experienced mental health diagnostician with unmitigated access to the record and to the person examined would find it fiendishly difficult to determine with any degree of certainty whether someone suffers from an impairment, i.e., a mental health disorder �?or merely possesses narcissistic traits, a narcissistic personality structure ("character"), or a narcissistic "overlay" superimposed on another mental health problem. Moreover, it is important to distinguish between the traits and behaviour patterns that are independent of the patient's cultural-social context (i.e., inherent, or idiosyncratic) - and reactive patterns, or conformity to cultural and social mores and edicts. Reactions to severe life crises are often characterized by transient pathological narcissism, for instance (Ronningstam and Gunderson, 1996). But such reactions do not a narcissist make. When a person lives in a society and culture that has often been described as narcissistic by the leading lights of scholarly research (e.g., Theodore Millon) and social thinking (e.g., Christopher Lasch) - how much of his behaviour can be attributed to his milieu �?and which of his traits are really his? Moreover, there is a qualitative difference between having narcissistic traits, a narcissistic personality, or the Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The latter is rigorously defined in the DSM IV-TR and includes strict criteria and differential diagnoses (for more, see here: http://samvak.tripod.com/npdglance.html). Narcissism is regarded by many scholars to be an adaptative strategy ("healthy narcissism"). It is considered pathological in the clinical sense only when it becomes a rigid personality structure replete with a series of primitive defence mechanisms (such as splitting, projection, projective identification, intellectualization) �?and when it leads to dysfunctions in one or more areas of life. Pathological narcissism is the art of deception. The narcissist projects a False Self and manages all his social interactions through this concocted fictional construct. People often find themselves involved with a narcissist (emotionally, in business, or otherwise) before they have a chance to discover his true nature. When the narcissist reveals his true colors, it is usually far too late. His victims are unable to separate from him. They are frustrated by this acquired helplessness and angry that they failed to see through the narcissist earlier on. But the narcissist does emit subtle, almost subliminal, signals ("presenting symptoms") even in a first or casual encounter. Based on "How to Recognize a Narcissist": "'Haughty' body language �?The narcissist adopts a physical posture which implies and exudes an air of superiority, seniority, hidden powers, mysteriousness, amused indifference, etc. Though the narcissist usually maintains sustained and piercing eye contact, he often refrains from physical proximity (he is 'territorial'). The narcissist takes part in social interactions - even mere banter - condescendingly, from a position of supremacy and faux 'magnanimity and largesse'. But he rarely mingles socially and prefers to remain the 'observer', or the 'lone wolf'. Entitlement markers �?The narcissist immediately asks for 'special treatment' of some kind. Not to wait his turn, to have a longer or a shorter therapeutic session, to talk directly to authority figures (and not to their assistants or secretaries), to be granted special payment terms, to enjoy custom tailored arrangements. The narcissist is the one who - vocally and demonstratively - demands the undivided attention of the head waiter in a restaurant, or monopolizes the hostess, or latches on to celebrities in a party. The narcissist reacts with rage and indignantly when denied his wishes and if treated equally with others whom he deems inferior. Idealisation or devaluation �?The narcissist instantly idealises or devalues his interlocutor. This depends on how the narcissist appraises the potential one has as a Narcissistic Supply Source. The narcissist flatters, adores, admires and applauds the 'target' in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner �?or sulks, abuses, and humiliates her. Narcissists are polite only in the presence of a potential Supply Source. But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment. The 'membership' posture �?The narcissist always tries to 'belong'. Yet, at the very same time, he maintains his stance as an outsider. The narcissist seeks to be admired for his ability to integrate and ingratiate himself without investing the efforts commensurate with such an undertaking. For instance: if the narcissist talks to a psychologist, the narcissist first states emphatically that he never studied psychology. He then proceeds to make seemingly effortless use of obscure professional terms, thus demonstrating that he mastered the discipline all the same �?/SPAN> which proves that he is exceptionally intelligent or introspective. In general, the narcissist always prefers show-off to substance. One of the most effective methods of exposing a narcissist is by trying to delve deeper. The narcissist is shallow, a pond pretending to be an ocean. He likes to think of himself as a Renaissance Man, a Jack of all trades. A narcissist never admits to ignorance in any field - yet, typically, he is ignorant of them all. It is surprisingly easy to penetrate the gloss and the veneer of the narcissist's self-proclaimed omniscience. Bragging and false autobiography �?The narcissist brags incessantly. His speech is peppered with 'I', 'my', 'myself', and 'mine'. He describes himself as intelligent, or rich, or modest, or intuitive, or creative �?but always excessively, implausibly, and extraordinarily so. The narcissist's biography sounds unusually rich and complex. His achievements �?incommensurate with his age, education, or renown. Yet, his actual condition is evidently and demonstrably incompatible with his claims. Very often, the narcissist lies or fantasies are easily discernible. He always name-drops and appropriates other people's experiences and accomplishments. Emotion-free language �?The narcissist likes to talk about himself and only about himself. He is not interested in others or what they have to say, unless it is a potential Source of Supply and in order to obtain said supply. He acts bored, disdainful, even angry, if he feels an intrusion on and abuse of his precious time. In general, the narcissist is very impatient, easily bored, with strong attention deficits �?unless and until he is the topic of discussion. One can dissect all aspects of the intimate life of a narcissist, providing the discourse is not 'emotionally tinted'. If asked to relate directly to his emotions, the narcissist intellectualises, rationalises, speaks about himself in the third person and in a detached 'scientific' tone or composes a narrative with a fictitious character in it, suspiciously autobiographical. Seriousness and sense of intrusion and coercion �?The narcissist is dead serious about himself. He may possess a fabulous sense of humour, scathing and cynical, but rarely is he self-deprecating. The narcissist regards himself as being on a constant mission, whose importance is cosmic and whose consequences are global. If a scientist �?he is always in the throes of revolutionising science. If a journalist �?he is in the middle of the greatest story ever. This self-misperception is not amenable to light-headedness or self-effacement. The narcissist is easily hurt and insulted (narcissistic injury). Even the most innocuous remarks or acts are interpreted by him as belittling, intruding, or coercive. His time is more valuable than others' �?therefore, it cannot be wasted on unimportant matters such as social intercourse. Any suggested help, advice, or concerned inquiry are immediately cast by the narcissist as intentional humiliation, implying that the narcissist is in need of help and counsel and, thus, imperfect. Any attempt to set an agenda is, to the narcissist, an intimidating act of enslavement. In this sense, the narcissist is both schizoid and paranoid and often entertains ideas of reference. These �?the lack of empathy, the aloofness, the disdain, the sense of entitlement, the restricted application of humour, the unequal treatment and the paranoia �?make the narcissist a social misfit. The narcissist is able to provoke in his milieu, in his casual acquaintances, even in his psychotherapist, the strongest, most avid and furious hatred and revulsion. To his shock, indignation and consternation, he invariably induces in others unbridled aggression. He is perceived to be asocial at best and, often, antisocial. This, perhaps, is the strongest presenting symptom. One feels ill at ease in the presence of a narcissist for no apparent reason. No matter how charming, intelligent, thought provoking, outgoing, easy going and social the narcissist is �?he fails to secure the sympathy of his fellow humans, a sympathy he is never ready, willing, or able to grant them in the first place." Read these: Take care. Sam
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Why tell me and put me on notice? Was she trying to absolutely sever the cord? Didn't care about whether I respected her or not?? Take a chance on a stranger over someone she wanted to marry???
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 2/04/2004 10:20 a.m. |
Dear GTail, Why tell me and put me on notice? Sam: Not sure what you are referring to. You keep saying that it came as an utter surprise: "I never saw this coming. She told me over and over how she loved me, would always 'have my back,' that I was the 'nicest, kindest man,' and was the 'best lover EVER' because 'you know me inside and out.' We became friends first...confidantes...and fell in love. My move seemed like destiny...and our connection seemed so natural and easygoing...and loving..and real. She was SO kind and loving...and SO drunk...and SO evil...and SO kind and loving."
But it doesn't really matter. Read on. You ask: "Was she trying to absolutely sever the cord? Didn't care about whether I respected her or not?? Take a chance on a stranger over someone she wanted to marry???"
Sam: I don't know how to break the news to you but here goes: You mean nothing to her. You never did. She never intended to marry you. She confabulated - lied to herself and to you: To her, throughout your "relationship", you were no more than an interchangeable instrument of gratification, a utility, a gadget. She got bored with you - she went looking for an alternative source of narcissistic supply. She found one - she dumped you. Even the use of the word "she" is misleading. There is no one there. "She" is a mere shell. A camouflage. A prop. A puppet moved by her inner demons (the False Self). Fiendishly difficult to accept. Insulting. Humiliating. Infuriating. I know. But you must get over it and on with your life. Hope I have been of some help. Take care. Sam |
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Thanks Sam!! It has been 8 months and over 2 months since I last saw her. The last time? An intimate night which followed a romantic dinner watching the snow fall. Stayed the next night too and made her breakfast in bed. A nice shower together...then I was off to work my trade show that morning. Told me she had never had ANYONE serve her bfast in bed. This was two days after she called and said: 'When I came into my home tonight, all I could think of was you being here...greeting me.' 'G, come home.' By the end of the week, I was d&d'd again. And THAT was the last straw. Two months later??? I have my color, weight, and attitude back. People's smiles I notice, my estranged wife and I are getting along again, the kids are great, and as a matter of fact, my ego served a little boost this weekend when a VERY attractive woman at a golf pro shop stopped me in the hallway to comment she overheard my conversation with my buddies at an adjacent restaurant and wanted to get together for a 'drink' after my golf round (I was with old buddies on a weekend golf getaway where I used to live). lol Trust me, after this experience I'm not fishing for strangers, but I felt my ego and self esteem coming back. The next day? I'm interviewing for a position BACK in the quant gulf of mexico community I moved away from three years ago to be closer to my walking nightmare of a 'shell' of a 'person.' So thanks Sam, and yes...I am getting on with my life quite nicely. I dont care to EVER SEE, HEAR, or CONVERSE with her ever again. I am proof that you do suffer from any contact with people with this disorder, and the ONLY way to actually move on, is to put away any sort of malignant optimism that they are capable of loving anyone but themselves, and abide by NO CONTACT. Through NO CONTACT, you CAN get on with your life. Thanks for all you do Sam. You do make it a better place for those who continue to wonder 'why.' Your comments and words from the other side of the fence really hit home! |
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