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| | From: ·TammyJo· (Original Message) | Sent: 9/05/2004 9:55 p.m. |
I met Rob* in August of 2002. I had been playing softball and broke my nose. I went to the local emergency room. Rob was a friend of the technician who cleaned up my nose. Rob moonlighted as a paramedic, and happened to be passing through the ER. Rob ended up coming in to my room and stayed while I was being sutured. The technician and I ended up meeting a local bar one evening for a drink. Rob happened to be in the same bar. That evening Rob was obnoxious and rude. That was the last I saw of Rob for about 7 months. One evening I happened to be in the local bar where we all hang out (the same one I had seen Rob in previously). I spotted Rob across the way with a bunch of local police officers. I sarcastically said hello to him. He immediately began talking to me. Turns out he is a police detective in a neighboring town. That evening Rob talked to me for over 2 hours. He totally disregarded the fact I was there with other people. He began bragging about how much money his family is worth and that he can find out anything about me, that he knows how much money I received on my tax return, etc…He happened to also be drinking throughout the evening. I came to realize later on this was an addiction of his. I on the other hand rarely drink. That evening Rob continued to tell me all about his life accomplishments. Before leaving he asked me for my number and I gave it to him. Rob called the next evening. He asked me to come out and meet him for a drink, and I told him no thanks. He continued to beg me to come out, and I never gave in. The following evening I met him out with a friend of mine. We had a drink and talked. Actually he did most of the talking, telling my friend about all of his accomplishments. Afterward we went back to her house and I introduced Rob to her husband (a long time family friend). He was not impressed by Rob and told me he did not like him and had a bad feeling about him. From that night on I began spending a lot of time with Rob. I have a son and live home with my parents, so I usually don’t get out of the house until after he goes to bed around 9. On most nights Rob would be at the bar with his friends (most who are also police officers) and I would meet him there and go back to his house. Rob took me to expensive restaurants and several nice trips. The one thing I noticed was that anytime we got close, he would then pull away. This happened when we went to Boston over the weekend. We had 3 wonderful days together. The day after we returned, I called him and he did not answer. He called back 2 days later. This happened anytime we spent intimate time together. Rob called me everyday. On most days he would call and give me his schedule for that day or the week, etc…I did not have to ask, it was like he felt the need to tell. Even if I was not interested, he told me. Several of my friends met Rob and they all noticed the same thing. He was a bragger and had to be the center of attention. Anytime someone told a story, Rob would always have to top it. One night a friend of mine talked about the summer she had spent in London. Rob proceeded to tell her that his parents owned a flat in London growing up. Anytime his friends would be talking to me, he would jump into the conversation with a statement like “remember when…�?nbsp; I came to realize anytime I or anyone told Rob something, he had to top it. Either he had done it or his was better. Most of Rob’s stories were lies. I came to the point where I was never sure what was the truth. One evening I was behind Rob at about 11:15 when he got out of work. I was driving behind him as he pulled into the bar. When I called his cell phone that night he never answered. The following day he told me that he had locked his keys in the car and did not leave work until midnight. I knew it was an outright lie and just never bothered to confront him on it. I had caught him in other lies and anytime I confronted him, he always denied it. At time s I really think he believed his lies. When I had first met Rob, I saw him as an intelligent, caring, sincere man. At first I was not attracted to him. I pushed him away. He was persistent and continued to pursue me. I eventually gave in because I really thought that he wanted to be with me. As time progressed, I realized that he really does not care about anyone but himself. I spent almost a year with Rob and know nothing about him other than the times we spent together and the “amazing�?things he has done in his life. He never introduced me to his parents or anyone in his family. He also would never commit to me. Anytime I asked him what I was to him, he would give me the song and dance of “I’m not sure what I want or I don’t want a commitment.�?nbsp; Yet Rob did not like it if other men flirted with me or he thought someone else was interested in me. He would try to hide his jealousy, but it shined right through. Since December our relationship has changed drastically. I found out I was pregnant and when I told Rob he stated “if you don’t take care of it, I will be very angry.�?nbsp; He avoided me up until the day I had the pregnancy terminated. That morning he drove me to the Dr. and acted like were going on vacation. He laughed and joked but never spoke about what was about to happen. He stayed with me for the day afterward and then became very distant. He rarely called me and he stopped seeing me. Between January and now I have seen him maybe 10 times (if that). If I do see him, it is at the bar and he wants to take me home to have sex. Unfortunately I still talk to him occasionally and have gone home with him a few times. First question: Why do I continue to feel so strongly for this man who goes against everything I believe in? |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 10/05/2004 3:20 p.m. |
Dear Sue, welcome aboard. I cannot respond to your question before you tell me which of your statements reflect reality - and which do not. Here is a partial list of the contradictions in your first post: About your first encounter, you say: "That evening Rob was obnoxious and rude. That was the last I saw of Rob for about 7 months." And, later in your post: "When I had first met Rob, I saw him as an intelligent, caring, sincere man." Which is it? Next you describe another unpleasant encounter ... "One evening I happened to be in the local bar where we all hang out (the same one I had seen Rob in previously). I spotted Rob across the way with a bunch of local police officers. I sarcastically said hello to him. He immediately began talking to me. Turns out he is a police detective in a neighboring town. That evening Rob talked to me for over 2 hours. He totally disregarded the fact I was there with other people. He began bragging about how much money his family is worth and that he can find out anything about me, that he knows how much money I received on my tax return, etc�?/EM>He happened to also be drinking throughout the evening. I came to realize later on this was an addiction of his. I on the other hand rarely drink. That evening Rob continued to tell me all about his life accomplishments." And what's your reaction to this evidently repulsive person? Before leaving he asked me for my number and I gave it to him. Then you take him to your friend's house: "Afterward we went back to her house and I introduced Rob to her husband (a long time family friend). He was not impressed by Rob and told me he did not like him and had a bad feeling about him." And you? "From that night on I began spending a lot of time with Rob." You describe his fear of intimacy: "The day after we returned, I called him and he did not answer. He called back 2 days later. This happened anytime we spent intimate time together." But continue to say in the very next paragraph: "Rob called me everyday. On most days he would call and give me his schedule for that day or the week, etc�?STRONG>I did not have to ask, it was like he felt the need to tell. Even if I was not interested, he told me." You say: "At first I was not attracted to him. I pushed him away. He was persistent and continued to pursue me. I eventually gave in ..." This starkly contradict the opening paragraphs of your post: "Rob called the next evening. He asked me to come out and meet him for a drink, and I told him no thanks. He continued to beg me to come out, and I never gave in. The following evening I met him ... From that night on I began spending a lot of time with Rob." sue, I cannot be of help to you until you provide me with a consistent description of your relationship - one devoid of so many substantial contradictions. Please help me understand exactly what happened. Sam |
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Hi Sam- Sorry if I was a bit contradicting. To clarify things, yes I did see the rude side of Rob. Then there were times in which he was charming. He was very charming in the beginning when I was keeping my distance from him. When he won me over, that id when the true side came out. It was all about him. We spent a lot of time together in the beginng when he was trying to win me over, and the minute he saw he had me, he changed. I saw less of him. The times we spent together revoloved around him and his schedule. I am now convinced that there were other women on the side, though I was the main one he was involved with. I realize now, that he used me. I was the one chasing him once I "fell" for him. Anytime we did have sex, he would not call me for a day or two. I did mention him calling me all the time, and when he did, it was me asking him to do something. He would call to tell me all about him and what he would be doing. Anytime I did talk about something, hw would always have to top it with "well I did this" or "I am getting this one." When he did want me to meet him somewhere he would say something like, "I will be at such and such if you want to stop by" and of course I did. This man actually believes that he is going to be President one day and loves to tell people this. Just last week I saw him out at the same local bar. I was with another man. When he left he called me and he ended up meeting me at my house. (this was more me asking him over, which I know was a mistake). We slept together and then I did not hear from him for a few days. Just this evening I saw him out with another girl, and that just confirmed my thoughts that he is now persuing someone else, and keeps me hanging on for when it is convenient to him. As far as me thinking he was intelligent and sincere, that was when he was trying to win me over. He came accross that way. Though he changed shortly after into the obnoxious, rude person he is today. I hope this clarifies things for you. Feel free to ask for more details if need be. Sue |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 11/05/2004 12:38 p.m. |
Dear Sue, Why we fall in love, what is infatuation - these are big mysteries: You may be somewhat codependent: How to extricate yourself from this situation? As you would wean yourself off a drug (nicotine, alcohol). At the commencement of the relationship, the Narcissist is a dream-come-true. He is often intelligent, witty, charming, good looking, an achiever, empathetic, in need of love, loving, caring, attentive and much more. He is the perfect bundled answer to the nagging questions of life: finding meaning, companionship, compatibility and happiness. He is, in other words, ideal. It is difficult to let go of this idealized figure. Relationships with narcissists inevitably and invariably end with the dawn of a double realisation. The first is that one has been (ab)used by the narcissist and the second is that one was regarded by the narcissist as a disposable, dispensable and interchangeable instrument (object). The assimilation of this new gained knowledge is an excruciating process, often unsuccessfully completed. People get fixated at different stages. They fail to come to terms with their rejection as human beings �?the most total form of rejection there is. We all react to loss. Loss makes us feel helpless and objectified. When our loved ones die �?we feel that Nature or God or Life treated us as playthings. When we divorce (especially if we did not initiate the break-up), we often feel that we have been exploited and abused in the relationship, that we are being "dumped", that our needs and emotions are ignored. In short, we feel objectified. Losing the narcissist is no different to any other major loss in life. It provokes a cycle of bereavement and grief (as well as some kind of mild post traumatic stress syndrome in cases of severe abuse). This cycle has four phases: denial, rage, sadness and acceptance. Denial can assume many forms. Some go on pretending that the narcissist is still a part of their life, even going to the extreme of "interacting" with the narcissist by pretending to "communicate" with him or to "meet" him. Others develop persecutory delusions, thus incorporating the imaginary narcissist into their lives as an ominous and dark presence. This ensures "his" continued "interest" in them �?however malevolent and threatening that "interest" is perceived to be. These are radical denial mechanisms, which border on the psychotic and often dissolve into brief psychotic micro-episodes. More benign and transient forms of denial include the development of ideas of reference. The narcissist's every move or utterance is interpreted to be directed at the suffering person and to carry a hidden message which can be "decoded" only by the recipient. Others deny the very narcissistic nature of the narcissist attributing to him ignorance, mischief or vicious intentions. This denial mechanism leads them to believe that the narcissist is really not a narcissist but someone who is not aware of his "true" being, or someone who enjoys mind games and toying with people's lives, or part of a dark conspiracy to defraud and abuse gullible victims. Often the narcissist is depicted as obsessed or possessed �?imprisoned by his "invented" condition and, really, a nice and gentle and lovable person. At the healthier end of the spectrum of denial reactions is the classical denial of loss �?the disbelief, the hope that the narcissist may return, the suspension and repression of all information to the contrary. Denial in mentally healthy people quickly evolves into rage. There are a few types of rage. It can be focussed and directed at the narcissist, at other facilitators of the loss, such as the narcissist's lover, or at specific circumstances. It can be directed at oneself �?which often leads to depression, suicidal ideation, self-mutilation and, in some cases, suicide. Or, it can be diffuse, all-pervasive, all-encompassing and engulfing. Such loss-related rage can be intense and in bursts or osmotic and permeate the whole emotional landscape. Rage gives place to sadness. It is the sadness of the trapped animal, an existential angst mixed with acute depression. It involves dysphoria (inability to rejoice, to be optimistic, or expectant) and anhedonia (inability to enjoy, to experience pleasure, or to find meaning in life). It is a paralysing sensation, which slows one down and enshrouds everything in the grey veil of randomness. It all looks meaningless and empty. This, in turn, gives place to gradual acceptance and renewed activity. The narcissist is gone both physically and mentally. The void left in his wake still hurts and pangs of regret and hope still exist. But, on the whole, the narcissist is transformed into a narrative, a symbol, another life experience, a truism and a (tedious) cliché. He is no longer omni-present and the person entertains no delusions as to the one-sided and abusive nature of the relationship or as to the possibility and desirability of its renewal. The termination of any relationship is traumatic. This is doubly so with a narcissist. Moving On To preserve one's mental health �?one must abandon the narcissist. One must move on. Moving on is a process, not a decision or an event. First, one has to acknowledge and accept reality. It is a volcanic, shattering, agonising series of little, nibbling, thoughts and strong resistances. Once the battle is won, and harsh and painful realities are assimilated, one can move on to the learning phase. We label. We assemble material. We gather knowledge. We compare experiences. We digest. We have insights. Then we decide and we act. This is "to move on". Having gathered sufficient emotional sustenance, support and confidence �?we face the battlefields of our relationships, fortified and nurtured. This stage characterises those who do not mourn �?but fight; do not grieve �?but replenish their self-esteem; do not hide �?but seek; do not freeze �?but move on. Grieving After being betrayed and abused �?we grieve. We grieve for the image we had of the traitor and abuser �?the image that was so fleeting and so wrong. We mourn the damage he did to us. We experience the fear of never being able to love or to trust again �?and we grieve this loss. In one stroke, we lost someone we trusted and even loved, we lost our trusting and loving selves and we lost the trust and love that we felt. Can anything be worse? The emotional process of grieving is multiphased. At first, we are dumbfounded, shocked, inert, immobile. We play dead to avoid our inner monsters. We are ossified in our pain, cast in the mould of our reticence and fears. Then we feel enraged, indignant, rebellious and hateful. Then we accept. Then we cry. And then �?some of us �?learn to forgive and to pity. And this is called healing. ALL stages are absolutely necessary and good. It is bad NOT to rage back, not to shame those who shamed us, to deny, to pretend, to evade. But it is equally bad to get fixated on our rage like this forever. Permanent grieving is the perpetuation of our abuse by other means. By endlessly recreating our harrowing experiences, we unwillingly collaborate with our abuser to perpetuate his or her evil deeds. It is by moving on that we defeat our abuser, minimising him and his importance in our lives. It is by loving and by trusting anew that we annul that which was done to us. To forgive is never to forget. But to remember is not necessarily to re-live. Forgiving and Forgetting Forgiving is an important capability. It does more for the forgiver than for the forgiven. But, to my mind, it should not be a universal, indiscriminate behaviour. I think it is legitimate not to forgive sometimes. It depends, of course, on the severity or duration of what was done to you. In general, it is unwise and counter-productive, in my view, to establish "universal" and "immutable" principles in life. Life is too chaotic to succumb to rigid principles. Sentences, which start with "I never" are either not very credible or, worse, they lead to self-defeating, self-restricting and self-destructive behaviours. Conflicts are an important and integral part of life. One should never seek them out willingly �?but when confronted with a conflict, one should not avoid it. It is through conflicts and adversity as much as through care and love that we grow. Human relationships are dynamic. We must assess our friendships, partnerships, even marriages periodically. The past is insufficient in itself to sustain a healthy, nourishing, supportive, caring and compassionate relationship. It is a pre-condition, perhaps a necessary one �?but not a sufficient one. We must gain and regain our friendships on a daily basis. Human relationships are a constant test of allegiance and empathy. Remaining Friends with the Narcissist But can't we act civilised and remain on friendly terms with our narcissist ex? Never forget that narcissists (full fledged ones) are nice to others when: -
They want something �?Narcissistic Supply, help, support, votes, money�?They prepare the ground, manipulate you and then come out with the "small favour" they need or ask you blatantly or surreptitiously for Narcissistic Supply ("What did you think about my performance�?, "Do you think that I really deserve the Nobel Prize?"). -
They feel threatened and they want to neuter the threat by smothering it with oozing pleasantries. -
They have just been infused with an overdose of Narcissistic Supply and they feel magnanimous and magnificent and ideal and perfect. To show magnanimity is a way of flaunting one's impeccable divine credentials. It is an act of grandiosity. You are an irrelevant prop in this spectacle, a mere receptacle of the narcissist's overflowing, self-contented infatuation with his False Self. This beneficence is transient. Perpetual victims often tend to "thank God for little graces" (God being the narcissist). This is the Stockholm syndrome: hostages tend to emotionally identify with their captors rather than with the police. We are grateful to our abusers and tormentors for ceasing their hideous activities and letting us breathe for a while. Some people say that they prefer to live with narcissists, to cater to their needs and to succumb to their whims because this is the way they have been conditioned in early childhood. It is only with narcissists that they feel alive, stimulated and excited. The world glows in Technicolor in the presence of a narcissist and decays to sepia colours in his absence. I see nothing inherently "wrong" with that. The test is this: if a person were to constantly humiliate and abuse you verbally using Archaic Chinese �?would you have felt humiliated and abused? Probably not. Some people have been conditioned by the narcissistic Primary Objects in their lives (parents or caregivers) to treat narcissistic abuse as Archaic Chinese, to turn a deaf ear. This technique is effective in that it allows the inverted narcissist (the narcissist's willing mate) to experience only the good aspects of living with a narcissist: his sparkling intelligence, the constant drama and excitement, the lack of intimacy and emotional attachment (some people prefer this). Every now and then the narcissist breaks into abuse in Archaic Chinese, so what, who understands Archaic Chinese anyway? I have only one nagging doubt, though: If the relationship with a narcissist is so rewarding, why are inverted narcissists so unhappy, so ego-dystonic, so in need of help (professional or otherwise)? Aren't they victims who simply experience the Stockholm syndrome (=identifying with the kidnapper rather than with the Police)? The Need to be Hopeful I understand the need to be hopeful. There are gradations of narcissism. In all my writings, I am referring to the extreme and ultimate form of narcissism, the NPD. People with narcissistic traits or a narcissistic style have hope. We often confuse shame with guilt. Narcissists feel shameful when confronted with a failure. They feel (narcissistically) injured. Their omnipotence is threatened, their sense of perfection and uniqueness is questioned. They are enraged, engulfed by self-reprimand, self-loathing and internalised violent urges. The narcissist punishes himself for failing to be God �?not for the maltreatment of others. The narcissist makes an effort to communicate his pain and shame in order to elicit the Narcissistic Supply needed to restore and regulate his failing sense of self-worth. In doing so, the narcissist resorts to the human vocabulary of empathy. The narcissist will say anything to obtain Narcissistic Supply. It is a manipulative ploy �?not a confession of real emotions or an authentic description of internal dynamics. Yes, the narcissist is a child �?but a very precocious and young one. Yes, he can tell right from wrong �?but is indifferent to both. Yes, it is a process of "re-parenting" (what Kohut called a "self-object") that is required, of growth, of maturation. In the best of cases, it takes years and the prognosis is dismal. Yes, some narcissists make it. And their mates or spouses or children or colleagues or lovers rejoice. But is the fact that people survive tornadoes �?a reason to go out and seek one? The narcissist is very much attracted to vulnerability, to unstable or disordered personalities or to his inferiors. Such people constitute secure Sources of Narcissistic Supply. The inferior offer adulation. The mentally disturbed, the traumatised, the abused become dependent and addicted to him. The vulnerable can be easily and economically manipulated without fear of repercussions. I think that "a healing narcissist" is a contradiction in terms, an oxymoron (though NOT in all cases, of course). Still, healing (not only of narcissists) is dependent upon and derived from a sense of security in a relationship. The narcissist is not particularly interested in healing. He tries to optimise his returns, taking into consideration the scarcity and finiteness of his resources. Healing, to him, is simply a bad business proposition. In the narcissist's world being accepted or cared for (not to mention loved) is a foreign language. That is: meaningless. One might recite the most delicate haiku in Japanese and it would still remain meaningless to a non-Japanese. That non-Japanese are not adept at Japanese does not diminish the value of the haiku OR of the Japanese language, needless to say. Narcissists damage and hurt but they do so off-handedly and naturally, as an after-thought and reflexively. They are aware of what they are doing to others �?but they do not care. Sometimes, they sadistically taunt and torment people �?but they do not perceive this to be evil �?merely amusing. They feel that they are entitled to their pleasure and gratification (Narcissistic Supply is often obtained by subjugating and subsuming others). They feel that others are less than human, mere extensions of the narcissist, or instruments to fulfil the narcissist's wishes and obey his often capricious commands. The narcissist feels that no evil can be inflicted on machines, instruments, or extensions. Expect the separation to be painful and traumatic. We react to serious mishaps, life altering setbacks, disasters, abuse, and death by going through the phases of grieving. Traumas are the complex outcomes of psychodynamic and biochemical processes. But the particulars of traumas depend heavily on the interaction between the victim and his social milieu. It would seem that while the victim progresses from denial to helplessness, rage, depression and thence to acceptance of the traumatizing events - society demonstrates a diametrically opposed progression. This incompatibility, this mismatch of psychological phases is what leads to the formation and crystallization of trauma. PHASE I Victim phase I - DENIAL The magnitude of such unfortunate events is often so overwhelming, their nature so alien, and their message so menacing - that denial sets in as a defence mechanism aimed at self preservation. The victim denies that the event occurred, that he or she is being abused, that a loved one passed away. Society phase I - ACCEPTANCE, MOVING ON The victim's nearest ("Society") - his colleagues, his employees, his clients, even his spouse, children, and friends - rarely experience the events with the same shattering intensity. They are likely to accept the bad news and move on. Even at their most considerate and empathic, they are likely to lose patience with the victim's state of mind. They tend to ignore the victim, or chastise him, to mock, or to deride his feelings or behaviour, to collude to repress the painful memories, or to trivialize them. Summary Phase I The mismatch between the victim's reactive patterns and emotional needs and society's matter-of-fact attitude hinders growth and healing. The victim requires society's help in avoiding a head-on confrontation with a reality he cannot digest. Instead, society serves as a constant and mentally destabilizing reminder of the root of the victim's unbearable agony (the Job syndrome). PHASE II Victim phase II - HELPLESSNESS Denial gradually gives way to a sense of all-pervasive and humiliating helplessness, often accompanied by debilitating fatigue and mental disintegration. These are among the classic symptoms of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). These are the bitter results of the internalization and integration of the harsh realization that there is nothing one can do to alter the outcomes of a natural, or man-made, catastrophe. The horror in confronting one's finiteness, meaninglessness, negligibility, and powerlessness - is overpowering. Society phase II - DEPRESSION The more the members of society come to grips with the magnitude of the loss, or evil, or threat represented by the grief inducing events - the sadder they become. Depression is often little more than suppressed or self-directed anger. The anger, in this case, is belatedly induced by an identified or diffuse source of threat, or of evil, or loss. It is a higher level variant of the "fight or flight" reaction, tampered by the rational understanding that the "source" is often too abstract to tackle directly. Summary Phase II Thus, when the victim is most in need, terrified by his helplessness and adrift - society is immersed in depression and unable to provide a holding and supporting environment. Growth and healing is again retarded by social interaction. The victim's innate sense of annulment is enhanced by the self-addressed anger (=depression) of those around him. PHASE III Both the victim and society react with RAGE to their predicaments. In an effort to narcissistically reassert himself, the victim develops a grandiose sense of anger directed at paranoidally selected, unreal, diffuse, and abstract targets (=frustration sources). By expressing aggression, the victim re-acquires mastery of the world and of himself. Members of society use rage to re-direct the root cause of their depression (which is, as we said, self directed anger) and to channel it safely. To ensure that this expressed aggression alleviates their depression - real targets must are selected and real punishments meted out. In this respect, "social rage" differs from the victim's. The former is intended to sublimate aggression and channel it in a socially acceptable manner - the latter to reassert narcissistic self-love as an antidote to an all-devouring sense of helplessness. In other words, society, by itself being in a state of rage, positively enforces the narcissistic rage reactions of the grieving victim. This, in the long run, is counter-productive, inhibits personal growth, and prevents healing. It also erodes the reality test of the victim and encourages self-delusions, paranoidal ideation, and ideas of reference. PHASE IV Victim Phase IV - DEPRESSION As the consequences of narcissistic rage - both social and personal - grow more unacceptable, depression sets in. The victim internalizes his aggressive impulses. Self directed rage is safer but is the cause of great sadness and even suicidal ideation. The victim's depression is a way of conforming to social norms. It is also instrumental in ridding the victim of the unhealthy residues of narcissistic regression. It is when the victim acknowledges the malignancy of his rage (and its anti-social nature) that he adopts a depressive stance. Society Phase IV - HELPLESSNESS People around the victim ("society") also emerge from their phase of rage transformed. As they realize the futility of their rage, they feel more and more helpless and devoid of options. They grasp their limitations and the irrelevance of their good intentions. They accept the inevitability of loss and evil and Kafkaesquely agree to live under an ominous cloud of arbitrary judgement, meted out by impersonal powers. Summary Phase IV Again, the members of society are unable to help the victim to emerge from a self-destructive phase. His depression is enhanced by their apparent helplessness. Their introversion and inefficacy induce in the victim a feeling of nightmarish isolation and alienation. Healing and growth are once again retarded or even inhibited. PHASE V Victim Phase V - ACCEPTANCE AND MOVING ON Depression - if pathologically protracted and in conjunction with other mental health problems - sometimes leads to suicide. But more often, it allows the victim to process mentally hurtful and potentially harmful material and paves the way to acceptance. Depression is a laboratory of the psyche. Withdrawal from social pressures enables the direct transformation of anger into other emotions, some of them otherwise socially unacceptable. The honest encounter between the victim and his own (possible) death often becomes a cathartic and self-empowering inner dynamic. The victim emerges ready to move on. Society Phase V - DENIAL Society, on the other hand, having exhausted its reactive arsenal - resorts to denial. As memories fade and as the victim recovers and abandons his obsessive-compulsive dwelling on his pain - society feels morally justified to forget and forgive. This mood of historical revisionism, of moral leniency, of effusive forgiveness, of re-interpretation, and of a refusal to remember in detail - leads to a repression and denial of the painful events by society. Summary Phase V This final mismatch between the victim's emotional needs and society's reactions is less damaging to the victim. He is now more resilient, stronger, more flexible, and more willing to forgive and forget. Society's denial is really a denial of the victim. But, having ridden himself of more primitive narcissistic defences - the victim can do without society's acceptance, approval, or look. Having endured the purgatory of grieving, he has now re-acquired his self, independent of society's acknowledgement. Take care. Sam |
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| From: samvak | Sent: 12/05/2004 2:17 p.m. |
Hi, Sue, Is there anything you can do to avoid abusers and narcissists to start with? Are there any warning signs, any identifying marks, rules of thumbs to shield you from the harrowing and traumatic experience of an abusive relationship? Imagine a first or second date. You can already tell if he is a would-be abuser. Here's how: Perhaps the first telltale sign is the abuser's alloplastic defenses �?/SPAN> his tendency to blame every mistake of his, every failure, or mishap on others, or on the world at large. Be tuned: does he assume personal responsibility? Does he admit his faults and miscalculations? Or does he keep blaming you, the cab driver, the waiter, the weather, the government, or fortune for his predicament? Is he hypersensitive, picks up fights, feels constantly slighted, injured, and insulted? Does he rant incessantly? Does he treat animals and children impatiently or cruelly and does he express negative and aggressive emotions towards the weak, the poor, the needy, the sentimental, and the disabled? Does he confess to having a history of battering or violent offenses or behavior? Is his language vile and infused with expletives, threats, and hostility? Next thing: is he too eager? Does he push you to marry him having dated you only twice? Is he planning on having children on your first date? Does he immediately cast you in the role of the love of his life? Is he pressing you for exclusivity, instant intimacy, almost rapes you and acts jealous when you as much as cast a glance at another male? Does he inform you that, once you get hitched, you should abandon your studies or resign your job (forgo your personal autonomy)? Does he respect your boundaries and privacy? Does he ignore your wishes (for instance, by choosing from the menu or selecting a movie without as much as consulting you)? Does he disrespect your boundaries and treats you as an object or an instrument of gratification (materializes on your doorstep unexpectedly or calls you often prior to your date)? Does he go through your personal belongings while waiting for you to get ready? Does he control the situation and you compulsively? Does he insist to ride in his car, holds on to the car keys, the money, the theater tickets, and even your bag? Does he disapprove if you are away for too long (for instance when you go to the powder room)? Does he interrogate you when you return ("have you seen anyone interesting") �?/SPAN> or make lewd "jokes" and remarks? Does he hint that, in future, you would need his permission to do things �?/SPAN> even as innocuous as meeting a friend or visiting with your family? Does he act in a patronizing and condescending manner and criticizes you often? Does he emphasize your minutest faults (devalues you) even as he exaggerates your talents, traits, and skills (idealizes you)? Is he wildly unrealistic in his expectations from you, from himself, from the budding relationship, and from life in general? Does he tell you constantly that you "make him feel" good? Don't be impressed. Next thing, he may tell you that you "make" him feel bad, or that you make him feel violent, or that you "provoke" him. "Look what you made me do!" is an abuser's ubiquitous catchphrase. Does he find sadistic sex exciting? Does he have fantasies of rape or pedophilia? Is he too forceful with you in and out of the sexual intercourse? Does he like hurting you physically or finds it amusing? Does he abuse you verbally �?/SPAN> does he curse you, demeans you, calls you ugly or inappropriately diminutive names, or persistently criticizes you? Does he then switch to being saccharine and "loving", apologizes profusely and buys you gifts? If you have answered "yes" to any of the above �?/SPAN> stay away! He is an abuser. Many abusers have a specific body language. It comprises an unequivocal series of subtle �?/FONT> but discernible �?/FONT> warning signs. Pay attention to the way your date comports himself �?/FONT> and save yourself a lot of trouble! Abusers are an elusive breed, hard to spot, harder to pinpoint, impossible to capture. Even an experienced mental health diagnostician with unmitigated access to the record and to the person examined would find it fiendishly difficult to determine with any degree of certainty whether someone is being abusive because he suffers from an impairment, i.e., a mental health disorder. Some abusive behavior patterns are a result of the patient's cultural-social context. The offender seeks to conform to cultural and social morals and norms. Additionally, some people become abusive in reaction to severe life crises. Still, most abusers master the art of deception. People often find themselves involved with a abuser (emotionally, in business, or otherwise) before they have a chance to discover his real nature. When the abuser reveals his true colors, it is usually far too late. His victims are unable to separate from him. They are frustrated by this acquired helplessness and angry that they failed to see through the abuser earlier on. But abusers do emit subtle, almost subliminal, signals in his body language even in a first or casual encounter. These are: "Haughty" body language �?The abuser adopts a physical posture which implies and exudes an air of superiority, seniority, hidden powers, mysteriousness, amused indifference, etc. Though the abuser usually maintains sustained and piercing eye contact, he often refrains from physical proximity (he maintains his personal territory). The abuser takes part in social interactions �?even mere banter �?condescendingly, from a position of supremacy and faux "magnanimity and largesse". But even when he feigns gregariousness, he rarely mingles socially and prefers to remain the "observer", or the "lone wolf". Entitlement markers �?The abuser immediately asks for "special treatment" of some kind. Not to wait his turn, to have a longer or a shorter therapeutic session, to talk directly to authority figures (and not to their assistants or secretaries), to be granted special payment terms, to enjoy custom tailored arrangements. This tallies well with the abuser's alloplastic defenses - his tendency to shift responsibility to others, or to the world at large, for his needs, failures, behavior, choices, and mishaps ("look what you made me do!"). The abuser is the one who �?vocally and demonstratively �?demands the undivided attention of the head waiter in a restaurant, or monopolizes the hostess, or latches on to celebrities in a party. The abuser reacts with rage and indignantly when denied his wishes and if treated the same as others whom he deems inferior. Abusers frequently and embarrassingly "dress down" service providers such as waiters or cab drivers. Idealization or devaluation �?The abuser instantly idealizes or devalues his interlocutor. He flatters, adores, admires and applauds the "target" in an embarrassingly exaggerated and profuse manner �?or sulks, abuses, and humiliates her. Abusers are polite only in the presence of a potential would-be victim �?/SPAN> a "mate", or a "collaborator". But they are unable to sustain even perfunctory civility and fast deteriorate to barbs and thinly-veiled hostility, to verbal or other violent displays of abuse, rage attacks, or cold detachment. The "membership" posture �?The abuser always tries to "belong". Yet, at the very same time, he maintains his stance as an outsider. The abuser seeks to be admired for his ability to integrate and ingratiate himself without investing the efforts commensurate with such an undertaking. For instance: if the abuser talks to a psychologist, the abuser first states emphatically that he never studied psychology. He then proceeds to make seemingly effortless use of obscure professional terms, thus demonstrating that he mastered the discipline all the same �?which is supposed to prove that he is exceptionally intelligent or introspective. In general, the abuser always prefers show-off to substance. One of the most effective methods of exposing a abuser is by trying to delve deeper. The abuser is shallow, a pond pretending to be an ocean. He likes to think of himself as a Renaissance man, a Jack of all trades, or a genius. Abusers never admit to ignorance or to failure in any field �?yet, typically, they are ignorant and losers. It is surprisingly easy to penetrate the gloss and the veneer of the abuser's self-proclaimed omniscience, success, wealth, and omnipotence. Bragging and false autobiography �?The abuser brags incessantly. His speech is peppered with "I", "my", "myself", and "mine". He describes himself as intelligent, or rich, or modest, or intuitive, or creative �?but always excessively, implausibly, and extraordinarily so. The abuser's biography sounds unusually rich and complex. His achievements �?incommensurate with his age, education, or renown. Yet, his actual condition is evidently and demonstrably incompatible with his claims. Very often, the abuser's lies or fantasies are easily discernible. He always name-drops and appropriates other people's experiences and accomplishments as his own. Emotion-free language �?The abuser likes to talk about himself and only about himself. He is not interested in others or what they have to say. He is never reciprocal. He acts disdainful, even angry, if he feels an intrusion on his precious time. In general, the abuser is very impatient, easily bored, with strong attention deficits �?unless and until he is the topic of discussion. One can dissect all aspects of the intimate life of a abuser, providing the discourse is not "emotionally tinted". If asked to relate directly to his emotions, the abuser intellectualizes, rationalizes, speaks about himself in the third person and in a detached "scientific" tone or composes a narrative with a fictitious character in it, suspiciously autobiographical. Most abusers get enraged when required to delve deeper into their motives, fears, hopes, wishes, and needs. They use violence to cover up their perceived "weakness" and "sentimentality". They distance themselves from their own emotions and from their loved ones by alienating and hurting them. Seriousness and sense of intrusion and coercion �?The abuser is dead serious about himself. He may possess a fabulous sense of humor, scathing and cynical, but rarely is he self-deprecating. The abuser regards himself as being on a constant mission, whose importance is cosmic and whose consequences are global. If a scientist �?he is always in the throes of revolutionizing science. If a journalist �?he is in the middle of the greatest story ever. If an aspiring businessman - he is on the way to concluding the deal of the century. Woe betide those who doubt his grandiose fantasies and impossible schemes. This self-misperception is not amenable to light-headedness or self-effacement. The abuser is easily hurt and insulted (narcissistic injury). Even the most innocuous remarks or acts are interpreted by him as belittling, intruding, or coercive slights and demands. His time is more valuable than others' �?therefore, it cannot be wasted on unimportant matters such as social intercourse, family obligations, or household chores. Inevitably, he feels constantly misunderstood. Any suggested help, advice, or concerned inquiry are immediately cast by the abuser as intentional humiliation, implying that the abuser is in need of help and counsel and, thus, imperfect. Any attempt to set an agenda is, to the abuser, an intimidating act of enslavement. In this sense, the abuser is both schizoid and paranoid and often entertains ideas of reference. Finally, abusers are sometimes sadistic and have inappropriate affect. In other words, they find the obnoxious, the heinous, and the shocking �?funny or even gratifying. They are sexually sado-masochistic or deviant. They like to taunt, to torment, and to hurt people's feelings ("humorously" or with bruising "honesty"). While some abusers are "stable" and "conventional" �?others are antisocial and their impulse control is flawed. These are very reckless (self-destructive and self-defeating) and just plain destructive: workaholism, alcoholism, drug abuse, pathological gambling, compulsory shopping, or reckless driving. Yet, these �?the lack of empathy, the aloofness, the disdain, the sense of entitlement, the restricted application of humor, the unequal treatment, the sadism, and the paranoia �?do not render the abuser a social misfit. This is because the abuser mistreats only his closest �?spouse, children, or (much more rarely) colleagues, friends, neighbours. To the rest of the world, he appears to be a composed, rational, and functioning person. Abusers are very adept at casting a veil of secrecy �?often with the active aid of their victims �?over their dysfunction and misbehavior. The abuser mistreats only his closest �?/SPAN> spouse, children, or (much more rarely) colleagues, friends, and neighbours. To the rest of the world, he appears to be a composed, rational, and functioning person. Abusers are very adept at casting a veil of secrecy �?/SPAN> often with the active aid of their victims �?/SPAN> over their dysfunction and misbehavior. Read about the abuser's tactics and concealment and manipulation here: Telling Them Apart Facilitating Narcissism This is why the abuser's offending behavior comes as a shock even to his closest, nearest, and dearest. In the October 2003 issue of the Journal of General Internal Medicine, Dr. Christina Nicolaidis of the Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, studied 30 women between the ages of 17 and 54, all survivors of attempted homicide by their intimate partners. Half of them (14) confessed to have been "completely surprised" by the attack. They did not realize how violent their partner can be and the extent of risk they were continuously exposed to. Yet, all of them were the victims of previous episodes of abuse, including the physical sort. They could easily have predicted that an attempt to end the relationship would result in an attack on body and property. "If I had talked to some of these women before the attack, I would have counseled them about the domestic violence, but I would not have necessarily felt that their lives were in danger," Nicolaidis told Reuters �?/SPAN> "Now I am more careful to warn any woman who has experienced intimate partner violence about the risk to her life, especially around the time that the relationship is ending". Secrecy is a major weapon in the abuser's arsenal. Many batterers maintain a double life and keep it a well-guarded secret. Others show one face �?/SPAN> benign, even altruistic �?/SPAN> to an admiring world and another �?/SPAN> ominous and aggressive �?/SPAN> at home. All abusers insist on keeping the abuse confidential, safe from prying eyes and ears. The victims collaborate in this cruel game through cognitive dissonance and traumatic bonding. They rationalize the abuser's behavior, attributing it to incompatibility, mental health problems, temporary setbacks or circumstances, a bad relationship, or substance abuse. Many victims feel guilty. They have been convinced by the offender that they are to blame for his misconduct ("you see what you made me do!", "you constantly provoke me!"). Others re-label the abuse and attribute it to the batterer's character idiosyncrasies. It is explained away as the sad outcome of a unique upbringing, childhood abuse, or passing events. Abusive incidents are recast as rarities, an abnormality, few and far between, not as bad as they appear to be, understandable outbursts, justified temper tantrums, childish manifestations, a tolerable price to pay for an otherwise wonderful relationship. When is a woman's life at risk? Nicolaidis Reuters: "Classic risk factors for an attempted homicide by an intimate partner include escalating episodes or severity of violence, threats with or use of weapons, alcohol or drug use, and violence toward children." Yet, this list leaves out ambient abuse �?/SPAN> the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves. Until it is too late. Still, being vigilant does not mean losing the ability to trust people! For millions of years nature embedded in us the notion that the past can teach us a lot about the future. This is very useful for survival. And it is also mostly true with inanimate objects. With humans the story is somewhat different: it is reasonable to learn from someone's past behaviour about his future behaviour (even though this proves erroneous some of the time). But it is mistaken to learn from someone's behaviour about other people's. Actually, most psychotherapy is nothing but the attempt to disentangle past from present, to teach the patient that the past is no more and has no reign over him anymore, unless the patient lets it. Our natural tendency is to trust, because we trust our parents. It feels good to really trust. It is also an essential component of love and an important test. Love without trust is dependence masquerading as love. We must trust, it is almost biological. Most of the time, we do trust. We trust the universe to behave according to the laws of physics, our army not to go mad and shoot us all, our nearest and dearest not to betray us. When trust is broken, the feeling is that a part of us dies, is hollowed out. Not to trust is abnormal and is the outcome of bitter or even traumatic life experiences. Mistrust or distrust are induced not by our own thoughts, nor by some device or machination of ours �?but by life's sad circumstances. To continue not to trust is to reward the people who wronged us and made us distrustful in the first place. These people have long abandoned us and yet they still have a great, malignant, influence on our lives. This is the irony of the lack of trust. So, some of us prefer not to experience this sinking feeling: not to trust and not to be disappointed. This is both a fallacy and a folly. Trusting releases enormous amounts of mental energy, which is better invested elsewhere. But trust �?like knives �?can be dangerous to your health if used improperly. You have to know WHO to trust, you have to learn HOW to trust and you have to know HOW to CONFIRM the existence of a functioning trust. People often disappoint and are not worthy of trust. Some people act arbitrarily, treacherously and viciously, or, worse, offhandedly. You have to select the targets of your trust carefully. He who has the most common interests with you, who is investing in you for the long haul, who is incapable of breaching trust ("a good person"), who doesn't have much to gain from betraying you �?is not likely to mislead you. These people you can trust. You should not trust indiscriminately. No one is completely trustworthy in all fields. Most often our disappointments stem from our inability to separate one area of life from another. A person could be sexually loyal �?but utterly dangerous when it comes to money (for instance, a gambler). Or a good, reliable father �?but a womaniser. You can trust someone to carry out some types of activities �?but not others, because they are more complicated, more boring, or do not appeal to his conscience. We should not trust with reservations �?this is the kind of "trust" that is common in business and among criminals and its source is rational. Game Theory in mathematics deals with questions of calculated trust. We should trust wholeheartedly but know who to entrust with what. Then we will be rarely disappointed. As opposed to popular opinion, trust must be put to the test, lest it goes stale and staid. We are all somewhat paranoid. The world around us is so complex, so inexplicable, so overwhelming �?that we find refuge in the invention of superior forces. Some forces are benign (God) �?some arbitrarily conspiratorial in nature. There must be an explanation, we feel, to all these amazing coincidences, to our existence, to events around us. This tendency to introduce external powers and ulterior motives permeates human relations, as well. We gradually grow suspicious, inadvertently hunt for clues of infidelity or worse, masochistically relieved, even happy when we find some. The more often we successfully test the trust established, the stronger our pattern-prone brain embraces it. Constantly in a precarious balance, our brain needs and devours reinforcements. Such testing should not be explicit �?it should be deduced from circumstances. Your husband could easily have had a mistress or your partner could easily have stolen your money �?and, behold, they haven't. They passed the test. Trust is based on the ability to predict the future. It is not so much the act of betrayal that we react to �?as it is the feeling that the very foundations of our world are crumbling, that it is no longer safe because it is no longer predictable. These are the throes of death of one theory �?and the birth of another, as yet untested. Here is another important lesson: whatever the act of betrayal (with the exception of grave criminal corporeal acts) �?it is frequently limited, confined, negligible. Naturally, we tend to exaggerate the importance of the event. This serves a double purpose: indirectly it aggrandises us. If we a "worthy" of such an unprecedented, unheard of, major betrayal �?we must be worth while. The magnitude of the betrayal reflects on us and re-establishes the fragile balance of powers between us and the universe. The second purpose is simply to gain sympathy and empathy �?mainly from ourselves, but also from others. Catastrophes are a dozen a dime and in today's world it is difficult to provoke anyone to regard your personal disaster as anything exceptional. Amplifying the event has, therefore, some very utilitarian purposes. But, finally, the emotional lie is poisons his mental circulation of the liar. Re-proportioning, reordering and putting the event in perspective will go a long way towards the commencement of a healing process. No betrayal stamps the world irreversibly or eliminates other possibilities, opportunities, chances and people. Time goes on, people meet and part, lovers quarrel and make love, dear ones live and die. It is the very essence of time that it erodes us all to the finest dust. Our only weapon �?however crude and maybe unwise �?against this unstoppable process is to trust each other. Take care. Sam |
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How as a therapist can I help clients in these types of relationships. |
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| | From: samvak | Sent: 13/05/2004 1:29 p.m. |
Hello, Sue, I wasn't aware that you are a therapist. Are you? This is a complicated question. Therapists in these situations have to cope with the needs and problems of the narcissistic partner and the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, depression, and, often, codependence, of the abused party: These may be of interest: The System and the Abused Therapy and the Narcissist Hope this helps. Take care. Sam |
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