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From: XtraMSN Nickname-Tammy_S-  (Original Message)Sent: 12/07/2004 5:26 a.m.
My story begins three years ago when I connected with a woman I had met through internet dating. I was cautious and agreed to meet for coffee at a restaurant. At first sight I was mesmerized. She was younger, a petite, gorgeous blonde, and proabably the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen, and I have seen many. She's Greek and I found that alluring too. We talked for over an hour and shared the fact that we both had two sons, a bonus. Then she shared with me that she'd been through two divorces, same as me. But she also mentioned that she's been conned and hurt by both men. Being a caring person, I shared her pain.

We decided to date again and she and I soon became an item, even though I lived outside the city where she resided. We'd talk for hours on the phone and she even left piano concertos on my answering service. Life was looking great!\par
Well, within three months she swept me off my feet by proposing an engagement party. We picked out a ring and threw a big bash at my house for both families. The Greeks meet the Irish!  At the same time she suggested I sell my house and move in with her and commute to work. It was a dream come true! I was aglow with my new fiance!

Well, soon enough she wanted to get into an investment scheme together so I came up with the money for a condo purchase we made together, then renovated. When my house sold the following spring, I moved in with her. She immediately quit her job to stay home and look after all the renovations we were doing to her house. I was to buy into it that summer, but had to sign a prenuptial agreement first.

Well, things changed quickly. She refused to let me buy half of the house, but wanted me to sell the condo and buy another property where her cousins, her ex, and her older son lived. So I did, and put her on title too. Big mistake! I used up all my assets buying this place and renovating it, then was getting raged at all the time for not being a good enough renovator. Meanwhile she often needed her "space" and sent me packing to my mother's across the city.

Although we weren't a perfect couple, we got married at city hall one year after the day we met. Her father wouldn't attend because he told me that she was just after my money. Red flag or what! Her mother and older son attended and I never got the feeling she was into being married. I loved her, but she resented the intmacy and loss of freedom, and told me so.

The raging began as the fall progressed. Money was never enough, even though we made more than I could ever imagine. She added a new apartment downstairs and there were many days and nights spent renovating her house and the one we had bought around the corner. She loved to live in chaos, never a free moment. She also loved to rub it in if I ever wanted to relax or if I was not good enough at fixing things and finishing what the contractors started. She was no longer interested in sex, which caused lots of frustration for me. She began going dancing with her male friend and leaving me home. By Christmas we'd been together for eight months and married for four.  I'd had enough and decided to move into the house we had bought and I set myself up there for two months. Then we got back together in March. I was always walking on eggshells for fear of upsetting her.

She was into belittling my character by then, with insults like "you've got Tourette's, you're ADHD, you're autistic", and others. It boggled my mind, as I'm a special education specialist. Nights were calm, though, as we watched TV and I brought her ice-cream in bed, and she seemed really content.

By May last year, I'd had enough and left for a month and started thinking about divorce. We were selling the other house and had to communicate about it and other things. I was getting nasty emails and phone calls, but one got my attention, and that one was that she loved me, admitted to being abusive, and asked me to please come back and give it another chance. I decided to check her out and we immediately ended up in bed! In fact we made love so much for several days that it left us both sore. Well, I figured she'd changed, even though I should have known better. We travelled that summer and sold the other house. We planned our futures together and I put all my assets into her house, as she said we'd be better off with a smaller mortgage.

At the end of August, the mask of sanity dropped suddenly. We were to celebrate our first (and only) anniversary, so I booked a hotel downtown. Since we arrived early, we went out to a sidewalk cafe for lunch. After several attempts to get her pasta done right, she finally just got up and left me there to eat alone. When I found her back at the car in the hotel parking lot, she said she wanted to go home. Our only anniversary and she destroyed it!  In September she first told me to f*ck off, after I said I didn't like her going out with her male friend and leaving me at home. Well, she hated defiance on my part, so the games began again. This time I kept a diary of abuse. It escalated as the male friend started coming over more and more, and taking her out like she was a single woman. The more I complained, the more she berated me. I started finding times to leave for a day or two, as she would have nothing to do with me or my family. Thanksgiving and Christmas came and went, the male friend came to both, but she didn't come to my family's celebrations. She started to become foul-mouthed and withdrew totally from sex. We were still cuddly in bed in the morning but that was it, just a tease.

I was worn down, had lost weight, and everyone noticed how haggard I looked. I am strong-spirited and tried to hide the fact that she was abusing me. By February of this year I was ready to leave at the drop of a hat. I'd been working for cash at night and leaving it on the dresser for her and she seemed happy, like a kid in a candy store. But I hated the gruelling life I was trapped in. Her male friend was calling and emailing daily, I was bitter about this, and let her know. She even went dancing with him on Valentine's day!The final straw came at the end of February when I had complained about her taking her friend dancing with me for MY birthday. That last night I accidentally woke her up and she freaked on me. She ran around trying to call her friend, call the police, and I was yelling back at her that I wasn't going to take it anymore. So I got dressed, jumped in the car and drove six doors down to stay the night at her parents' house. I was sad and broken and knew then that it was over. Her folks were so kind, and even offered to let me live there for as long as I wanted. However, I left the next day to retrieve a few things and found her waiting with her male friend with all my stuff packed. What an insult! I had dinner with her folks, then called my brother and said I needed a place to stay for the weekend. That's when my life changed forever.

In two short years she stole, cheated, coerced, and manipulated me out of about $200 000, leaving me with nothing but my few belongings and my sanity. I will survive, but she has made a lasting imprint on my life, not to mention causing so much shame to two families.
 
Brownie's First Question:
In your professional opinion, does she indeed appear to be an true Narcissist? She's never been formally diagnosed, but her sister thinks that she is a psychopath.

 


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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 12/07/2004 8:47 p.m.
Hey, Brownie, and welcome aboard.
 
I am not a mental health professional, so I cannot offer you a "professional" opinion. Moreover, even had I been a professional, I would not have been able to offer you a professional opinion.
 
Only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from NPD and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews.
To my mind the interesting question behind the question is:
 
Why do you want to label her?
 
What does it matter if she is a narcissist or a psychopath (probably the latter, by the way)?
 
Will putting a label to her ameliorate her abusive, heartless and scandalous behavior?
 
Will it get you your money back?
 
Will it mitigate the heartbreak?
 
Narcissists and psychopaths know right from wrong and are fully responsible for their actions. Having a personality disorder does not account for WHY she behaved the way she did.
 
What is Narcissism?

A pattern of traits and behaviours which signify infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of all others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification, dominance and ambition.

  • Most narcissists (50-75%, according to the DSM IV-TR) are men.
  • The Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is one of a "family" of personality disorders (known as "Cluster B"). Other members of Cluster B are Borderline PD, Antisocial PD and Histrionic PD.
  • NPD is often diagnosed with other mental health disorders ("co-morbidity") - or with substance abuse and impulsive and reckless behaviors ("dual diagnosis").
  • NPD is new (1980) mental health category in the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual (DSM).
  • There is only scant research regarding narcissism. But what there is has not demonstrated any ethnic, social, cultural, economic, genetic, or professional predilection to NPD.
  • It is estimated that 0.7-1% of the general population suffer from NPD.
  • Pathological narcissism was first described in detail by Freud. Other major contributors are: Klein, Horney, Kohut, Kernberg, Millon, Roningstam, Gunderson, Hare.
  • The onset of narcissism is in infancy, childhood and early adolescence. It is commonly attributed to childhood abuse and trauma inflicted by parents, authority figures, or even peers.
  • There is a whole range of narcissistic reactions - from the mild, reactive and transient to the permanent personality disorder.
  • Narcissistic Supply is outside attention - usually positive (adulation, affirmation, fame, celebrity) - used by the narcissist to regulate his labile sense of self-worth.
  • Narcissists are either "cerebral" (derive their narcissistic supply from their intelligence or academic achievements) - or "somatic" (derive their narcissistic supply from their physique, exercise, physical or sexual prowess and romantic or physical "conquests").
  • Narcissists are either "classic" - see definition below - or they are "compensatory", or "inverted" - see definitions here: "The Inverted Narcissist".
  • The classic narcissist is self-confident, the compensatory narcissist covers up in his haughty behaviour for a deep-seated deficit in self-esteem, and the inverted type is a co-dependent who caters to the emotional needs of a classic narcissist.
  • NPD is treated in talk therapy (psychodynamic or cognitive-behavioural). The prognosis for an adult narcissist is poor, though his adaptation to life and to others can improve with treatment. Medication is applied to side-effects and behaviours (such as mood or affect disorders and obsession-compulsion) - usually with some success.

The American Psychiatric Association, based in Washington D.C., USA, publishes the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition, Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR), 2000.

Click here to read the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic criteria for the Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

The international equivalent of the DSM is the ICD-10, Classification of Mental and Behavioural Disorders, published by the World Health Organization in Geneva (1992).

Click here to read the ICD-10 diagnostic criteria for the Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

The DSM defines NPD as "an all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts."

The ICD regards NPD as "a personality disorder that fits none of the specific rubrics." It relegates it to the category "Other Specific Personality Disorders" together with the eccentric, "haltlose", immature, passive-aggressive, and psychoneurotic personality disorders and types.

The DSM specifies nine diagnostic criteria. For NPD to be diagnosed, five (or more) of these criteria must be met.

(In the text below, I have proposed modifications to the language of these criteria to incorporate current knowledge about this disorder. My modifications appear in bold italics.)

(My amendments do not constitute a part of the text of the DSM-IV-TR, nor is the American Psychiatric Association (APA) associated with them in any way.)

Click here to download a bibliography of the studies and research regarding the Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) on which I based my proposed revisions.

Proposed Amended Criteria for the Narcissistic Personality Disorder

  • Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);
  • Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
  • Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
  • Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
  • Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
  • Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
  • Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
  • Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
  • Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.

Psychopathy

NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial Personality Disorder)

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq15.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq82.html

http://open-site.org/Health/Mental_Health/Disorders/Personality/Antisocial/

Abusive Relationships

http://www.suite101.com/topic_page.cfm/6514/2051

http://www.suite101.com/bulletin.cfm/18046/12847

Question:

The narcissist is not entirely responsible for his actions. Should we judge him, get angry at him, be upset by him? Above all, should we communicate to him our displeasure?

Answer:

The narcissist knows to tell right from wrong. He is perfectly capable of anticipating the results of his actions and their influence on his human environment. The narcissist is very perceptive and sensitive to the subtlest nuances. He has to be: the very integrity of his personality depends upon input from others.

But the narcissist does not care. Unable to empathise, he does not fully experience the outcomes of his deeds and decision. For him, humans are dispensable, rechargeable, reusable. They are there to fulfil a function: to supply him with Narcissistic Supply (adoration, admiration, approval, affirmation, etc.) They do not have an existence apart from carrying out their "duties".

True: it is the disposition of the narcissist to treat humans in the inhuman way that he does. However, this propensity is absolutely controllable. The narcissist has a choice �?he just doesn't think anyone is worth making it.

It is a fact that the narcissist can behave completely differently (under identical circumstances) �?depending on who else is involved in the situation. He is not likely to be enraged by the behaviour of an important person (=with a potential to supply him narcissistically). But, he might become absolutely violent with his nearest and dearest under the same circumstances. This is because they are captives, they do not have to be won over, the Narcissistic Supply coming from them is taken for granted.

Being a narcissist does not exempt the patient from being a human being. A person suffering from NPD must be subjected to the same moral treatment and judgement as the rest of us, less privileged ones. The courts do not recognise NPD as a mitigating circumstance �?why should we? Treating the narcissist specially will only exacerbate the condition by supporting the grandiose, fantastic image the narcissist has of himself.


Also Read

Other People's Pain

 Narcissists, Narcissistic Supply and Sources of Supply

Take care.

Sam


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From: XtraMSN Nickname-Tammy_S-Sent: 13/07/2004 1:44 p.m.
What was about her always needing "her space"? Is it that she resents intimacy? Or is it a control factor?

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 13/07/2004 2:07 p.m.
Hi, Brownie,
 
There are a few possibilities (no offense intended, just delineating the field):
 
1. That you are an overbearing, overweening, and intrusive person - which she could stand no longer.
 
2. That she has a great need for her private space and time alone (some people are like that).
 
3. Your relationship was so stiffling that she wanted out.
 
4. She fears intimacy and commitment.
 
5. She used this excuse to sadistically torment you AND reassert her control over her life, your life, and your relationship.

It is an established fact that abuse �?verbal, psychological, emotional, physical, and sexual �?co-occurs with intimacy. Most reported offenses are between intimate partners and between parents and children. This defies common sense. Emotionally, it should be easier to batter, molest, assault, or humiliate a total stranger. It's as if intimacy CAUSES abuse, incubates and nurtures it.

And, in a way, it does.

Many abusers believe that their abusive conduct fosters, enhances, and cements their intimate relationships. To them, pathological jealousy is proof of love, possessiveness replaces mature bonding, and battering is a form of paying attention to the partner and communicating with her.

Such habitual offenders do not know any better. They were often raised in families, societies, and cultures where abuse is condoned outright �?or, at least, not frowned upon. Maltreatment of one's significant others is part of daily life, as inevitable as the weather, a force of nature.

Intimacy is often perceived to include a license to abuse. The abuser treats his nearest, dearest, and closest as mere objects, instruments of gratification, utilities, or extensions of himself. He feels that he "owns" his spouse, girlfriend, lovers, children, parents, siblings, or colleagues. As the owner, he has the right to "damage the goods" or even dispose of them altogether.

Most abusers are scared of real intimacy and deep commitment. They lead a "pretend", confabulated life. Their "love" and "relationships" are gaudy, fake imitations. The abuser seeks to put a distance between himself and those who truly love him, who cherish and value him as a human being, who enjoy his company, and who strive to establish a long-term, meaningful relationship with him.

Abuse, in other words, is a reaction to the perceived threat of looming intimacy, aimed at fending it off, intended to decimate closeness, tenderness, affection, and compassion before they thrive and consume the abuser. Abuse is a panic reaction. The batterer, the molester, are scared out of their wits �?they feel entrapped, imprisoned, shackled, and insidiously altered.

Lashing out in blind and violent rage they punish the perceived perpetrators of intimacy. The more obnoxiously they behave, the less the risk of lifelong bondage. The more heinous their acts, the safer they feel. Battering, molesting, raping, berating, taunting �?are all forms of reasserting lost control. In the abuser's thwarted mind, abuse equals mastery and continued, painless, emotionally numbed, survival.

Also Read

"Trauma Bonding" and the Psychology of Torture

Traumas as Social Interactions

Spousal (Domestic) Abuse and Violence

Verbal and Emotional Abuse - Articles Menu

Take care.

Sam


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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 13/07/2004 2:15 p.m.
More to read about commitmentophobia and fear of intimacy:
 
 
 
 
(applies to women as well)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Take care.
 
Sam

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From: XtraMSN Nickname-Tammy_S-Sent: 14/07/2004 12:22 a.m.
3. You have often referred to childhood abuse as a possible trigger for NPD or PPD. I asked her about her childhood and
    she was angry at sharing anything about it. I asked her parents if she was a handful to raise and they say no. I do know that
    she locked her sister up in the closet once and scared her to death. I also know that she ran off to Greece for a time when her
    parents wanted to marry her off to a young Greek man when she was about 20. Other than that she seems to have been "ok".
    Someone told me that her father was a mean and awful rager when he was younger. I only saw him yell at my mother-in-law  
    once. So my question is was she just born that way, as her mother once said to me? Maybe it was inherited from her father?


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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 15/07/2004 12:21 a.m.
Hi, Brownie,
 
The study of narcissism is a century old and the two scholarly debates central to its conception are still undecided. Is there such a thing as HEALTHY adult narcissism (Kohut) - or are all the manifestations of narcissism in adulthood pathological (Freud, Kernberg)? Moreover, is pathological narcissism the outcome of verbal, sexual, physical, or psychological abuse (the overwhelming view) - or, on the contrary, the sad result of spoiling the child and idolizing it (Millon, the late Freud)?

The second debate is easier to resolve if one agrees to adopt a more comprehensive definition of "abuse". Overweening, smothering, spoiling, overvaluing, and idolizing the child - are all forms of parental abuse.

This is because, as Horney pointed out, the child is dehumanized and instrumentalized. His parents love him not for what he really is - but for what they wish and imagine him to be: the fulfillment of their dreams and frustrated wishes. The child becomes the vessel of his parents' discontented lives, a tool, the magic brush with which they can transform their failures into successes, their humiliation into victory, their frustrations into happiness. The child is taught to ignore reality and to occupy the parental fantastic space. Such an unfortunate child feels omnipotent and omniscient, perfect and brilliant, worthy of adoration and entitled to special treatment. The faculties that are honed by constantly brushing against bruising reality - empathy, compassion, a realistic assessment of one's abilities and limitations, realistic expectations of oneself and of others, personal boundaries, team work, social skills, perseverance and goal-orientation, not to mention the ability to postpone gratification and to work hard to achieve it - are all lacking or missing altogether. The child turned adult sees no reason to invest in his skills and education, convinced that his inherent genius should suffice. He feels entitled for merely being, rather than for actually doing (rather as the nobility in days gone by felt entitled not by virtue of its merit but as the inevitable, foreordained outcome of its birth right). In other words, he is not meritocratic - but aristocratic. In short: a narcissist is born.

Is pathological narcissism the outcome of inherited traits - or the sad result of abusive and traumatizing upbringing? Or, maybe it is the confluence of both? It is a common occurrence, after all, that, in the same family, with the same set of parents and an identical emotional environment - some siblings grow to be malignant narcissists, while others are perfectly "normal". Surely, this indicates a predisposition of some people to developing narcissism, a part of one's genetic heritage.

This vigorous debate may be the offshoot of obfuscating semantics.

When we are born, we are not much more than the sum of our genes and their manifestations. Our brain - a physical object - is the residence of mental health and its disorders. Mental illness cannot be explained without resorting to the body and, especially, to the brain. And our brain cannot be contemplated without considering our genes. Thus, any explanation of our mental life that leaves out our hereditary makeup and our neurophysiology is lacking. Such lacking theories are nothing but literary narratives. Psychoanalysis, for instance, is often accused of being divorced from corporeal reality.

Our genetic baggage makes us resemble a personal computer. We are an all-purpose, universal, machine. Subject to the right programming (conditioning, socialization, education, upbringing) - we can turn out to be anything and everything. A computer can imitate any other kind of discrete machine, given the right software. It can play music, screen movies, calculate, print, paint. Compare this to a television set - it is constructed and expected to do one, and only one, thing. It has a single purpose and a unitary function. We, humans, are more like computers than like television sets.

True, single genes rarely account for any behaviour or trait. An array of coordinated genes is required to explain even the minutest human phenomenon. "Discoveries" of a "gambling gene" here and an "aggression gene" there are derided by the more serious and less publicity-prone scholars. Yet, it would seem that even complex behaviours such as risk taking, reckless driving, and compulsive shopping have genetic underpinnings.

What about the Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

It would seem reasonable to assume - though, at this stage, there is not a shred of proof - that the narcissist is born with a propensity to develop narcissistic defences. These are triggered by abuse or trauma during the formative years in infancy or during early adolescence (see http://samvak.tripod.com/faq64.html). By "abuse" I am referring to a spectrum of behaviours which objectifies the child and treats it as an extension of the caregiver (parent) or an instrument. Dotting and smothering are as much abuse as beating and starving. And abuse can be dished out by peers as well as by adult role models.

Still, I would have to attribute the development of NPD mostly to nurture. The Narcissistic Personality Disorder is an extremely complex battery of phenomena: behaviour patterns, cognitions, emotions, conditioning, and so on. NPD is a PERSONALITY disordered and even the most ardent proponents of the school of genetics do not attribute the development of the whole personality to genes.

A Primer on Narcissism:

http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php/type/doc/id/419

Take care.

Sam


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From: XtraMSN Nickname-Tammy_S-Sent: 15/07/2004 12:31 a.m.
4. She only has one interest in her life and that is her ballroom dance club. She got me into it, but later resented the fact I was there 
    and wanted nobody to know we were married, although they did. She only went to two of my family functions, and usually 
    had excuses not to go at the last minute. I read somewhere that N's like affiliations where they are held in high regard, but are 
    paranoid in other social settings. Would you agree that is why she was so narrow in her interests?


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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 15/07/2004 12:26 p.m.
Hi, Brownie,
 
I don't know whether your ex is a narcissist - and neither do you.
 
Moreover, you cannot attribute every quirk and twist of her behavior to her - alleged - narcissism.
 
Let me offer an alternative and equally plausible explanation of what you went through:
 
You two were incompatible. You refused to accept this simple fact, staring you in the face. She was dishonest and insufficiently courageous to admit it. You tried to force her into a relationship she didn't want. She exploited your neediness for material gain because she is ruthless and unscrupulous.
 
She found you overbearing and wanted her personal space. She found you sexually unattractive and had an affair, She failed to see why she should attend the family functions of someone she did not love. Do you attend the family functions of your banker?
 
Attributing all this to narcissism serves to soothe your wounded ego. Illness - and especially mental illness - is like a force of nature, an accident. There was nothing you could do. There was nthing she could do to fight her deformed nature. It was all force majeure.
 
But the sad truth is that you were conned. She is a con artist, a swindler. And she defrauded you by catering to your romantic needs, by letting you idealize her, and by harping on your nascent codependence. Once she got what she wanted out of you, she lost all interest in you.
 
Read this short story to understand her better:
 
 
More about narcissists in social settings:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Take care.
 
Sam

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From: XtraMSN Nickname-Tammy_S-Sent: 16/07/2004 7:47 p.m.
Sam, thank-you for your insight this week. I still feel that she has a personality disorder, more likely a psychopath, which was my initial reaction last year, and supported by my therapist. She's a serial abuser, as I was the third husband to be conned. She was the one who rushed to get married. She's the one who got me to sign the prenuptial agreement, change my will, cut up my credit cards, and to retire her on my income. I know... I allowed her to lead me around by the nose. She was happy only as long as she was extracting money and time from me. Much of ther time she raged and swore and acted like an ill-tempered child towards me. She did give me a nice Valentine's card that said she loved me, but then two weeks later I was out the door. She emailed for four months, accusing me of abandonment, calling me a con artist,etc., etc., then near the end, twice asked me back, that the love is still there. I ignored them all. Did she miss me? Did she feel any grief? Or was it all a trick? 

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 17/07/2004 1:45 p.m.
Dear Brownie,
 
Thank you for your kind words.
 
As I said in post #2:
 
What does it matter if she is a narcissist or a psychopath (probably the latter, by the way)?
 
Her behavior is, undoubtedly, antisocial (psychopathic).
 
 
Antisocial Personality Disorder and Psychopathy

People suffering from the Antisocial Personality Disorder were formerly called "psychopaths" or, more colloquially, "sociopaths". Some scholars, such as David Hare, still distinguish psychopathy from mere antisocial behavior.

Psychopathy becomes evident in early adolescence and, though it is considered chronic, it often remits with age, usually by the fourth or fifth decade of life. Criminal behavior abates by that time as do substance abuse and other antisocial patterns of conduct. This - and the fact that personality disorders are common among members of the psychopath's immediate family - indicates that the Antisocial Personality Disorder may have a genetic or hereditary determinant.

Characteristics and Traits

Psychopaths regard other people as mere objects to be manipulated - as instruments, tools, or sources of benefits and utility. They have no problem grasping ideas - but find it difficult to perceive other people's ability to conceive of ideas, to have their own needs, emotions, and preferences.

The psychopath rejects other people's rights and his commensurate obligations. The "social contract" and conventional morality do not apply to him. His immediate gratification takes precedence over the needs, preferences, and emotions of even his nearest and dearest.

Psychopaths rationalize their behavior and intellectualize it, showing an utter dysfunction of conscience and the absence of remorse for hurting or defrauding others.

Their (primitive) defence mechanisms are overpowering. They intellectualize their criminal behaviour, view the world - and people in it - as "all good" or "all evil", project their own shortcomings unto others and force others to behave the way they expect them to ("projective identification"). To them, people are mere instruments, or functions. They lack empathy and are very exploitative. In this, they closely resemble narcissists.

The psychopath - especially if s/he also has narcissistic traits - is unable to adapt to society and its norms. Hence the criminal acts, the deceitfulness and identity theft, the use of aliases, the constant lying, and the conning of even his nearest and dearest for gain or pleasure. Psychopaths are unreliable and do not honor their undertakings, obligations, and responsibilities. They rarely hold a job for long or repay their debts.

Psychopaths are irresponsible and never fulfil "contracts" they have signed or agreements, verbal and written, they have made. Psychopaths have no "honour", let alone a "word of honour". They never regret or forget a thing.They are vindictive, remorseless, ruthless, driven, and dangerous.

Always in conflict with authority and frequently on the run, psychopaths possess a limited time horizon and seldom make medium or long term plans. They are impulsive and reckless, aggressive, violent, irritable, and, sometimes, the captives of magical thinking, believing themselves to be immune to the consequences of their own actions.

Thus, psychopaths often end up in jail, having repeatedly flouted social norms and codified laws. Partly to avoid this fate and evade the law and partly to extract material benefits from unsuspecting victims, psychopaths habitually lie, steal others' identities, deceive, use aliases, and con for "personal profit or pleasure" as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual puts it.

Cultural and Social Considerations

Formerly known as "psychopathy", this is one of the most controversial mental health diagnoses. Does non-conformity, however antisocial and calamitous its consequences, amount to mental illness? Are the lack of conscience or empathy the markers of a pathology? Some scholars decry this diagnosis as a tool of social control which allows the establishment to label and confine troublemakers and society to stash away eccentrics, criminals, and deviants.

Based on:

  1. http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect16.htm - Antisocial Personality, Sociopathy and Psychopathy
  2. http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/1/awtpubnwswnoi25res1.html - Mad, bad or ill?
  3. http://human-nature.com/nibbs/01/psychopathy.html - The Origins of Violence: Is Psychopathy an Adaptation
  4. http://www.popmatters.com/columns/vaknin/030205.shtml - Psychopathy and Serial Killers
  5. http://samvak.tripod.com/talent.html - The Talented Mr. Ripley (Review with overview of the disorder)

You ask:

"Did she miss me? Did she feel any grief? Or was it all a trick?"

You know the answer. It's a trick. She did not miss you. The idea of grief in a psychopath is preposterous.

Narcissists are addicted to a drug known as "Narcissistic Supply". Attention (good OR bad), adulation, applause, fame, celebrity, notoriety - are all narcissistic supply. The people who supply these consistently, reliably, and predictably, are called "Narcissistic Supply Sources".

Why should the narcissist look for another source of supply if the current source of supply is available and always accepts him back?

Cultivating a source of secondary narcissistic supply is a VERY time consuming and energy depleting affair. The narcissist always prefers the path of least resistance (reverting to old sources).

The old source has the advantage of having witnessed and "recorded" the narcissist's past grandeur. Her very repeated "surrender" and "yielding to his charm" IS the narcissistic supply he seeks.

More generally, the narcissist sort of pushes the envelope, trying to ascertain and map the outer limits of his potency as an irresistible male and desirable mate. The more tortured the relationship - the sweeter the recurrent "victory" (reconciliation). This is doubly true when the narcissist is in the throes of life crises such as loss of a job, divorce, serious illness, etc.

Question:

What is Narcissistic Supply?

Answer:

We all look for positive cues from people around us. These cues reinforce in us certain behaviour patterns. There is nothing special in the fact that the narcissist does the same. However there are two major differences between the narcissistic and the normal personality.

The first difference is quantitative. The normal person is likely to welcome a moderate amount of attention �?verbal and non-verbal �?in the form of affirmation, approval, or admiration. Too much attention, though, is perceived as onerous and is avoided.

The narcissist, in contrast, is the mental equivalent of an alcoholic. He asks for more and yet more. He directs his whole behaviour, in fact his life, to obtain these pleasurable titbits of attention. He embeds them in a coherent, completely biased, picture of himself. He uses them to regulates his labile sense of self-worth and self-esteem.

To elicit constant interest, he projects to others a confabulated, fictitious version of himself, known as the False Self. The False Self is everything the narcissist is not: omniscient, omnipotent, charming, intelligent, rich, or well-connected.

The narcissist then proceeds to harvest reactions to this projected image from family members, friends, co-workers, neighbours, business partners and milieu, or from colleagues. If these �?the adulation, admiration, attention, fear, respect, applause, affirmation �?are not forthcoming, the narcissist demands them, or extorts them. Money, compliments, a favourable critique, an appearance in the media, a sexual conquest are all transformed into the same currency in the narcissist's mind.

This currency is what I call Narcissistic Supply.

There are two immediate and easy Sources of Narcissistic Supply: publicity (celebrity or notoriety, being famous or being infamous) and having a mate or a companion. Publicity can be obtained by exposing oneself, by creating something, or by provoking attention. The narcissist resorts to all three repeatedly (as drug addicts do to secure their daily dose).

But the picture is more complicated. There are two categories of Narcissistic Supply and their Sources (NSS):

The Primary Narcissistic Supply Source is attention �?in both its public forms (fame, notoriety, infamy, celebrity) and private forms (adoration, adulation, applause, fear, repulsion). It is important to understand that attention of any kind �?positive and negative �?constitutes Primary Narcissistic Supply. Infamy is as useful as fame, notoriety as good as being renowned.

To the narcissist his "achievements" can be imaginary, fictitious, or only apparent, as long as others believe in them. Appearances count more than substance, what matters is not the truth but its perception.

The Primary Narcissistic Sources of Supply include �?apart from being famous (celebrity, notoriety, fame, infamy) �?mystique (when the narcissist is considered to be mysterious), having sex and deriving from it a sense of masculinity/virility/femininity, a projection of wealth, proximity to power (money/knowledge/contacts) �?in itself mysterious and awe inspiring.

The Secondary Sources of Narcissistic Supply include: leading a normal life (a source of great pride to the narcissist), having a secure existence (economic safety, social acceptability, upward mobility), and obtaining companionship.

The Secondary NSS include having a mate, conspicuous wealth, creativity and its products, running a business (transformed into a Pathological Narcissistic Space), the sense of an anarchic freedom, belonging to a group of people which make up a Pathological Narcissistic Space, being prestigious, reputable, or successful, owning property and status symbols (show-off).

All these sources, primary and secondary alike �?or rather the Narcissistic Supply that they provide �?are incorporated in a Narcissistic Pathological Space.


Question:

What are the functions of Narcissistic Supply in the narcissistic pathology?

Answer:

The narcissist internalises a "bad" object (typically, his mother) in his childhood. He develops socially forbidden feelings towards this object: hatred, envy, and aggression. These feelings reinforce the narcissist's self-image as bad and corrupt. Gradually he develops a dysfunctional sense of self-worth. His self-confidence and self-image become unrealistically low and distorted.

In an effort to repress the "bad" feelings, the narcissist is also forced to suppress the good emotions intertwined with them. His aggression is channelled to fantasies or to legitimate outlets (dangerous sports, gambling, reckless driving, compulsive shopping). The narcissist views the world as a hostile, unstable, unrewarding, unjust, and unpredictable place.

He defends himself by loving a completely controllable object (himself), by projecting to the world an omnipotent and omniscient False Self, and by turning others to functions or to objects so that they pose no emotional danger. This reactive pattern is what we call pathological narcissism.

To counter his demons the narcissist needs the world: its admiration, its adulation, its attention, its applause, even its penalties. The lack of a functioning personality on the inside is balanced by importing Ego functions and boundaries from the outside.

The Primary Narcissistic Supply reaffirms the narcissist's grandiose fantasies, buttresses his False Self and, thus allows him to regulate his fluctuating sense of self-worth. The Narcissistic Supply contains information which pertains to the "correctness" of the False Self, to its calibration, intensity and proper functioning. The Narcissistic Supply serves to define the boundaries of the False Self, to regulate its contents and to substitute for some of the functions normally reserved to a True, functioning, Self.

While it is easy to understand the function of the Primary Supply, the Secondary type is a more complicated affair.

The company of women and "doing business" are the two main Sources of Secondary Narcissistic Supply (SNSS). The narcissist mistakenly interprets his narcissistic needs as emotions. To him, the pursuit of a woman-SNSS, for instance, is what others call "love" or "passion".

As we said, the narcissist derives his Narcissistic Supply from PNSS and SNSS (Primary and Secondary Narcissistic Supply Sources). But this supply is perishable goods. The narcissist consumes it and has to replenish the supply. As is the case with other drug addictions, to produce the same effect, he is forced to increase the dosage as he goes.

While the narcissist uses up his supply, his partner serves as a silent (and admiring) witness to the narcissist's "great moments" and "achievements". The narcissist's female friend "accumulates" the narcissist's "grandeur" and "illustrious past". When Narcissistic Supply is low, she "releases" the accumulated supply (by reminding the narcissist of these moments of glory) and, thus, helps the narcissist to regulate his sense of self-worth.

This function �?of Narcissistic Supply accumulation and release �?is performed by all SNSS, male or female, inanimate or institutional. The narcissist's co-workers, bosses, colleagues, neighbours, and friends are all potential SNSS. They all witness the narcissist's past accomplishments and can remind him of them when new supply runs dry.

[In depth analyses of the mechanisms of Narcissistic Supply, its accumulation and regulation can be found here and here.]


Question:

Why does the narcissist devalue his Source of Secondary Narcissistic Supply?

Answer:

Narcissists are forever in pursuit of Narcissistic Supply. They are not aware of time, are not constrained by any behavioural consistency, "rules" of conduct or moral considerations. Signal to a narcissist that you are a willing source �?and he is bound to extract his supply from you. This is a reflex. He would have reacted absolutely the same way to any other source. If what is needed to obtain supply from you is intimations of intimacy �?he will employ them liberally.

Some Sources of Supply are ideal (from the narcissist's point of view): sufficiently intelligent, sufficiently gullible, submissive, reasonably (but not overly) inferior to the narcissist, in possession of a good memory (with which to regulate the flow of Narcissistic Supply), available but not imposing, not explicitly or overtly manipulative, interchangeable (not indispensable), not demanding (a fatalist to a degree), attractive (if the narcissist is somatic). In short: a Galathea-Pygmallion type.

But then, often suddenly and inexplicably, it is all over. The narcissist is cold, uninterested and remote.

ONE of the reasons is, as Groucho Marx put it, that the narcissist doesn't like to belong to a club which accepts him as a member. The narcissist devalues his Sources of Supply for the very qualities that made them such sources in the first place: their gullibility, their submissiveness, their (intellectual or physical) inferiority.

But there are many other reasons. For instance, the narcissist resents his dependence and by devaluing the object of dependence (his spouse, his employer, his colleague, his friend) he gets rid of the dissonance.

Yet another issue:

The narcissist perceives intimacy and sex as a threat to his uniqueness. Everyone needs sex and intimacy �?it is the great equaliser. The narcissist resents this equality. He rebels.

Sex and intimacy are usually also connected to past unresolved conflicts with important Primary Objects (parents or caregivers). They invoke these conflicts, encourage transference and provoke the onset of an approach-avoidance cycle.

Additionally, narcissists get tired of their sources. There is no mathematical formula, which governs this. It depends on numerous variables. Usually, the relationship lasts until the narcissist "gets used" to the source and its stimulating effects wear off OR until a better Source of Supply presents itself.


Question:

Could negative input be Narcissistic Supply (NS)?

Answer:

Yes. NS includes attention, fame, notoriety, adulation, fear, applause, approval. It is a mixed bag. If the narcissist gets attention �?positive or negative �?it constitutes NS. If he can manipulate people or influence them �?positively or negatively �?it qualifies as NS.

Even quarrelling with people constitutes NS. Perhaps not the fighting itself �?but the ability to influence other people, to induce feelings in them, to manipulate them emotionally, to make them do something or refrain from doing it.

NS releases libido (increases the sexual drive).


Question:

Does the narcissist want to be liked?

Answer:

Would you wish to be liked by your television set? To the narcissist, people are mere tools, Sources of Supply. If he must be liked by them in order to secure this supply �?he strives to make sure they like him. If he can only be feared �?he makes sure they fear him. He does not really care either way as long as he is being attended to. Attention �?whether in the form of fame or infamy �?is what it's all about. His world revolves around his constant mirroring. I am seen therefore I exist, sayeth the narcissist.

But the classic narcissist is also looking to get punished. His actions are aimed to elicit social or other opprobrium and sanctions. His life is a Kafkaesque ongoing trial and the sempiternity of the trial is in itself the punishment. A punishment (a reprimand, an imprisonment, an abandonment) serves to vindicate and validate the internal damning voices of his sadistic, ideal and immature Superego (really, his parents or other caregivers). They confirm his worthlessness. They relieve him from the burden of the inner conflict he endures while successful: the conflict between the gnawing sense of guilt and shame and the need to relentlessly secure Narcissistic Supply.


Question:

How does the narcissist treat his past Sources of Narcissistic Supply?

Answer:

One should be careful not to romanticise the narcissist. His remorse is always linked to fears of losing his sources.

Narcissists have no enemies. They have only Sources of Narcissistic Supply. An enemy means attention means supply. One holds sway over one's enemy. If the narcissist has the power to provoke emotions in you �?you are still a Source of Supply to him, regardless of WHICH emotions are provoked.

He seeks out his old Sources of Narcissistic Supply when he has absolutely no other NS Sources at his disposal. Narcissists frantically try to recycle their old and wasted sources in such a situation. But the narcissist would NOT do even this had he not felt that he could still successfully extract a modicum of NS from the old source (even to attack the narcissist is to recognise his existence and to attend to him!!!).

If you are an old Source of Narcissistic Supply, first, get over the excitement of seeing him again. It may be flattering, perhaps sexually arousing. Try to overcome these feelings.

Then, simply ignore him. Don't bother to respond in any way to his offer to get together. If he talks to you �?keep quiet, don't answer. If he calls you �?listen politely and then say goodbye and hang up. Indifference is what the narcissist cannot stand. It indicates a lack of attention and interest that constitutes the kernel of negative NS.

Much more in FAQ 64 and FAQ 25 in "Malignant Self Love �?Narcissism Revisited".


I am sorry I was abrasive in some of my responses. You strike me as a good person who was exploited and abused by a female-vampire. I hope you derived a modicum of help and insight from our exchange.
 
Take care.
 
Sam

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