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From: XtraMSN Nicknamecleofet  (Original Message)Sent: 12/02/2008 7:13 p.m.
N-mom moved in with us in New Orleans almost three years ago at our invitation.  She sold her house in Philadelphia and got a nice chunck of change for it.  It has been hell ever since.  She wanted to move back to Philadelphia from about two month in but we  (both my husband and I) thought she would adjust.  Did not happen and just got worse and worse.  She has pulled all the usuall N-mother stuff and has pretty much knocked down the little bit of progress I had made in my therapy for lack of self esteem, anixity and depression.  Now that we agreed that she needs to go back to Philly and I had started looking on the internet and contacted two real estate agents there she changed her mind  and said that it would be better to stay in this area and find a house.  I said fine so at least she could have her own place and I could still look after her but have my own house to go back to.  We found a house right down the street and she made a rediculously low bid on it.  The owner did not accept her offer but dropped the asking price.  She didn't bother to tell me that he dropped the price and she told the real estate agent that she wouldn't offer any more.  Then we told her that there are several other houses in the area that are more in her price range.  Oh by the way I have no idea how much money she has because she says she was told be senior citizen in Philly not to tell anyone that information.  We made an apt. to see another house that was a lot less money for the following day.  That morning she comes out of her room and tells me to call the agent and tell her that she does not want to look anymore.  She is a sick woman and she is tired.  I told her to call her herself.  Several days later in the doctors office she brings up the subject and says I am cold and don't understand all the heartach she has.  "I lost everything and am here were no one talks to me and all you do is take me to the doctors.  Buying a house is a big deal"  I told her that I know that but she has to make a decision and stick to it.  Then she really started in on me.  "I can't say anything to you.  You are overly sensative."  I told her yes I am so why do you keep saying stuff to me.   If you can't say something nice just don't say anything.  Please"  Then she informed me that "you have mental problems thats why you see that therapist.  I only go to the center because I am a people person and I need people that will listen and talk with me."  Anyway now it doesn't seem like she wants to go anywhere.  SHE HAS TO GO!  I just don't know how to approach it.  See I still have trouble believing that this my mother that has no feeling for her child.  I still want that number 10 mother and I kown she is a #1 if even that.  She hurts for the sake of hurting and I fight to be the oposite of that so to tell her get out is killing me. How do i do this.  I am going to call her therapist and speak to her but I know I will encounter someone who thinks mom is so cute and that she is a pistle.  She is a pistle and she shoots me every chance she get.  Any suggestions I am listening.  Take care and God bless all of you.  


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From: XtraMSN NicknamewolfieshollerSent: 13/02/2008 12:58 a.m.
Ohhh...she is a pistol and she shoots me every chance she gets...good one!!!!!

Boy, so feel for you! I don't think I'd last a week.

Well, in our family, we needed to get a break from wasband's Dad and my ex bro in law managed to get the man into the peace corps and had him shipped to Africa.

They could use pistols in Africa, I bet. lol

And the peace corps lost him, btw, he just wandered off into the jungle then they found him in Sweden and don't know how he got there.

Not making this stuff up! LOL

OR...my N mommy dearest invited herself over for Tgiving one year and she gave me a bunch of hooey for laughing about my father in law. ( He was insane, but at least funny and brilliant.)

So, I said, "Hey, we haven't seen him in a while, go get him and have him here for Thanksgiving!"

He's a research scientist, a parasitologist. N Mom is a psychiatric nurse. He glommed onto her like she was Farrah Fawcett on a deserted island. Followed her asking her truly bizarre questions that had me howling. "Ever see anyone with gout? Well, this fellow had...(named some obscure parasite) and by the time they figured it out, his leg exploded..." (this at the dinner table...LOL)

Then his personal hygiene was awful and he was stealing her silverware, eating with it, then putting it back...he took the salad dressing and ate it like it was soup....all the while laughing and spitting on her.

Oh, if he were alive, I would so ship him down to you!!!!!

Honestly, maybe you could take in a wino for a week or two.

She was out the door, btw, way early the next day. That woman NEVER got out of bed before noon. They were going to stay all week, too. Wahoo!!!

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamesketchit311Sent: 13/02/2008 7:33 a.m.
That is a tough one, I feel for you.
 One thing I have discovered is that N's are well skilled in the art of guilting their children so not only are you left dealing with their vicious behaviour but also the increadible guilt you feel every time you try to set boundries with them.
If I was in your situation I would find somewhere outside of your home for your mum to stay temporarily if at all possible. She is unlikely to move out of her own accord as long as she feels staying with you is working for her, but I bet once that isn't an option you will be surprised with her resourcefulness in finding a house she likes. As hard as it is don't listen to your guilt, N's can not in my opinion be reasoned with, they play dirty so just because it's hard to do does not mean you are doing the wrong thing. I feel living with an N is emotional suicide and so hard steps have to be taken to make the break.
Good luck.

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 13/02/2008 6:09 p.m.
Hi C.
 
You wrote...
That morning she comes out of her room and tells me to call the agent and tell her that she does not want to look anymore. 
 
Your response to this should be "No mom, it's your problem and I am not going to allow myself to get involved."
 
Game over - let her howl - and she will, but stick to your guns.
 
As she's howling, you can remind her that she was to leave in two months and, if she is unhappy at your home, she should find accommodation elsewhere.
 
You also write...
 "I lost everything and am here were no one talks to me and all you do is take me to the doctors.
 
That's FOG - fear, obligation and guilt - see our page on bullyproofing yourself. Also, it's a statement, not a question so don't answer it.  Learn to train your ears to distinguish questions/statements - don't respond to statements.
 
It's built in for them to howl and whine and play the victim role.
 
Can you say to her
 
"When are you leaving mom?"
 
that's a question.
 
If she starts up - tell her that the situation is not working and you need to know when she's leaving.  Don't explain anything. Just tell her that the arrangement is not working for you and you need her to leave and get on with all our lives."
 
You will need to practice 1) not responding at all - don't take her bait 2) learning to say no with no explanations. Just some practice and the knowledge that she will kick her heels up (that's to be expected) and you stick to your guns. Backing down and changing your mind on this is very bad
 
Can you do this?  If not, you'll always be her target.
 
suggestion:
 
"I love you mom, but I'm not gong to discuss this with you."
"I'm sorry you feel that way."
"Perhaps when you're not so upset we can talk about this later."
 
 

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From: XtraMSN NicknameKoodraSent: 14/02/2008 8:20 p.m.
This is going to sound cold but then again so are N's. They play dirty so now it is your turn. Then after go NC.

Tell her she is out tonight - grab a few of her things put them in a suitcase and call a cab to take her to the local Motel 6. Physically push her out the door if you have to or trick her into thinking she is going "Away for the weekend" Then give her till the 15th of March to completely move out. You don't care where just get the hell out of your house. If she doesn't, you will put her into an old folks home or have her committed and sell the rest of her stuff.

(By the way it is a LOT easier to commit someone than you may think and the repercussions are pretty hefty for that person. Do some research.)

Then sit back and watch what hapens with the realtors.

She's just going to bleed you dry, fill you will guilt and make you crazy. Nip this in the bud now or you are willingly accepting mental illness.

You deserve your sanity but ONLY YOU CAN DEMAND IT.


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From: sb4homeSent: 11/03/2008 10:29 a.m.
What Koodra said made me laugh :) it felt good and I agree with her.
I'ts come to a point that you have to do something drastic like Koodra said.
Don't let her make you out to be the bad guy save your sanity and just do it!

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From: XtraMSN NicknameHeartToWorshipSent: 12/04/2008 3:12 a.m.
Sounds exactly like my dad. The odd thing about it is they think YOU are the one with the problem, could never be them. Keep smiling in any event. :)

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