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N Relatives : How do you get rid of the bitterness?
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From: sb4home  (Original Message)Sent: 7/04/2008 8:46 a.m.
I have been in NC with my N in-laws for 1 1/2 years. I just can't get rid of the bitterness I feel towards them. They said and did so many N toxic things through most of my 24 year marriage that I just can't keep it out of my mind. I will be fine for awhile then something always comes up that triggers a memory then my mind just takes off to other bad memories and I get so bitterly stressed out. Then the cycle starts again where things are fine then BOOM! Is this like post N traumatic stress syndrome or what???


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From: XtraMSN NicknameAkosha_IISent: 7/04/2008 12:18 p.m.
Hi,! Unfortunately, this is very common for many affected by the narcissitic person. Their will be times that memories re-surface, you see the obvious signals, you become frsutrated/upset, and then life returns to normacy. I believe that it's important to acknowledge your contribution in the problem. That is to accept responsibility where needed. In my case, I knew that I had an incredibly self-absorbed/internally damaged person on my hand. But what did I do?, I chose to fulfill the role of psychologist. he best thing you can do is own your contribtitions; constructively work towards rebuilding your life internally; forgive yourself; and if religious, pray for your rrecovery plus there's. If you keep busy, go though the healing process, and remember your're not alone, I can assure you that you will be find.Memories will surface. This is to just vailidate your belifes and to force you to continue NC. sDIV>

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamelotty467Sent: 7/04/2008 1:22 p.m.
All I am reading here is exactly as if I could have written it myself. My hurt will be the same, too. The bubbling up to the surface of things is the same. the bitterness, the BOOM, the N-traumatic stress syndrome, I know exactly what you mean. But as to the how do you get rid of the bitterness you feel towards them, well, again I know what you mean, and I have been struggling with this. 
 
There used to be an elderly couple who lived opposite our house. I later was surprised to learn that their daughter (about 50) lived on next door but one to them (about only 17 feet away), and that they never spoke to eachother at all. I used to wonder what had gone on to cause that (this was years before I had ever heard of NPD, not that it was that. I never found out, nor did I try). I used to think it very, very sad, and even very silly (I was naive). Everytime I walked past the daughter's house (she lived alone) in the evening when it was a bit dark and the light was on, enabelling me to have a glance inside with my peripheral vision (the windows are next to the path, so this is acceptable), I saw her sitting there. She had an aura, a definate body language which exhibited a deep, hard entrenched bitterness and resentment,(stone-faced) and I knew it was something to do with what had gone on. She was, I suspect, so full of bitterness that she had got hold and would NEVER let go and move on. It was, I considered, a monumental battle of wills, a stare-out, a 'you have hurt me and I am never going to let you off the hook, this time you will pay, just see if you don't, just see if I hold you to this until we all meet our dying days'. This was the kind of thing I imagined was going on. The daughter had a hard look of determination which never ever changed.
 
Years later, the old couple died, I moved house, and I am in the same position with my NM. I feel resonances with the daughter in the story. I know I could easily be like her, and I am determined not to be like that. I don't really know what to say to you about dealing with the bitterness. All I do know is that I am not going to be like that daughter. I am not going to fall into that trap. My strategy, at this moment, is to learn as much about this disorder, and the 'games' people play, and have these people out of my life---and by this I mean that I consider there are two worlds for me: 1) The big wide world with everthing and everyone in it, and 2) my world, with only the things and people I want in it ( a nice, happy world). I had to get rid of just about practically everybody in my life at one point. I hadn't been managing my life).
 
Evenso, the bitterness. How do you get rid of it. I still haven't addressed this, and I don't really know that I can. But here's a thing which hit a button in me, like a re-ignition switch, a definate feeling, and I've been boosting along ever since. The bitterness is there but it is becoming only a word and less of a feeling (don't get me wrong, I'll never forget), but the bitterness is changing, and I will not be doomed to sit there like that daughter. So what is it which pressed that re-ignition switch? Well, as absurd as it sounds here, a radio show: Ian Collins' 'The Ultimate Late Show' on talkSPORT radio. It is not about sport. It is a nightitme talk show. I could go into reams about how this show is beneficial. Just try it, when he is on at night doing his own show (1am - 6am, UK time), not covering for someone, and give it plenty of time to get into the vibe. It did something for me, like some kind of definate antidote to all this NPD damage. Hope this helps. All the very best.

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From: sb4homeSent: 8/04/2008 7:55 a.m.
Thank you everyone for sharing it does help to know that I am not alone in this, which is sad to say.

I realize now that I was stuck in this toxic relationship by marriage because I don't have any other family. It was a vicious cycle where they would act like decent human beings and then here's the drama again. But what I learned during and after this last blowout was that they were just hiding all their toxic crap just below the surface for awhile. They new I was getting bolder in standing up for myself and since the blowup I haven't heard one word from them and I know it's because their scared of me. They know I know the truth of their evil tongues and presumptions.

I have gone on with life but the anger will still flare up when something triggers a memory but I'm concentrating on nipping it in the bud so to speak and not let my mind run with it.
And I agree with Pandora, I also think I get bitter with myself for not going NC earlier. But I believe there is a reason and a season for everything.

P.S. I'm a big believer of " What goes Around comes Around" and I have that hope that they will implode on each other someday. I know it will happen because their scapegoats are gone!!! GO NC GO!!!

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From: XtraMSN NicknameAkosha_IISent: 9/04/2008 12:19 p.m.
Hello, Since going NC, I have reflected upon the warning signals given by the narcissist and persons surrounded by the narcissist. People approached me in confidence warning me of the narcissist true intentions and true persona. Since the N painted a picture of low self-image etc I ppittied the N. While at the same time the N aimed to hurt me in many ways! Unfortunately for myself, I remained too long, and now here I am! In my healing, I am remembering the persons warning me. I am remembering all the things I convently chose to overlook/forget. Ad I am acknoledging my role in my current state. The bitterness disappears; but you must go through the other stages first. It important to remain NC. This way, your progress isn't damaged, and you can continue healing!

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From: XtraMSN NicknameKoodraSent: 15/04/2008 7:00 a.m.
I find myself doing the same thing. The only things that work for me are:

1) NC
2) Accept that they are the way they are, but i don 't have to like it and not need to control it.
3) Not feed the addiction of fantasizing about revenge
4) interrupting myself anytime i find myself brooding or wallowing in the bitterness.

Bitterness is a poison we indulge in, we tell ourselves to make us feel better. But in actuality, it is a poison we take that slowly eats away our time, energy, heart and soul. Nothing happens to the bject of our bitterness. The only way to stop indulging in it is to.

STOP INDULGING IN IT.

The way to quit and addiction is simple:

STOP.

It is the details that suck.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamefriendsofcam1Sent: 12/07/2008 2:08 p.m.
So glad to see this post.  I was up all night dealing with this very bitterness.  I hate my nephew from hell!  He is so NC.  He bullies my disabled child,  he has made it hard for me to let my child visit his own grandma.  Because, he lives in the side of her house.   His wife and he have been so arragont and self deserving, abusive.  But, there's always a "reason" they had to do it.    What seems to upset me more is when I become angry back to them and say stuff.   Why do I feel that I don't have a right to be mad as hell at them?   They had been into my storage area at my moms house.  They'd been trying to get her to give them the key for weeks.  Now, someone has been through my stuff.  So, I wrote a scathing note and put it on the door.  Now, why do I feel bad?  They did it.  I said something like Congratulations you are the narcissistic personality JackAss of the year.   And asked them if they could give my stuff back or if I should call the police.   Of course,  they'll deny everything....they never do anything wrong.    I can't stand these idiots.  But, I know that I'm not handling it well.   And it's only makeing me more bitter.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamesistergone1Sent: 28/08/2008 6:23 a.m.
I just discovered this post and, after 43 years of trying to understand, to love, to help, to make excuses for, to build up, to encourage, to empathise and encourage my older sister, to the point of totally eliminating myself from existence...it is such a --- amazing thing to realize that...I am not alone. I read these statements and it sounds like all all the thoughts and feelings that I have...
 
and I have spent my life trying to figure out what was wrong with me. 

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From: XtraMSN NicknameKathleenGrace1Sent: 3/09/2008 12:43 p.m.
God,
Trant me the Serenity To accept the Things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And Widom to know the difference.  Living One day At a time, Enjoying One moment At a time; Accepting Hardship As the pathway To peace.  Amen
 
I have been reflecting on the above prayer lately.  I was my mother's scapegoat.  She made my entire family disown me with her perveted lies.  It is the biggest heartache of my life.  Because of her I am  a Christian.  That is why I am alive and well today.  The best revenge is living well.  I am an empath.  She targeted me because of my gentleness.  She almost destroyed me.   Now I am greatly blessed.  I am strong.  I am loving.  I am kind.  I give God all the glory for molding me. 
 
I have not seen her in 17 years.  Holidays are hard.  The no contact did not start until I had children.  I knew I could not let her poison spread into my own family.
 
I lay everything down at the cross at the start of each day.  It is a constant prayer to maintain my joy and not let the depression (unexpressed anger) and bitterness take hold.  You have to make a conscience decision to maintain your joy and not be destroyed by what the N had done to you.  It is hard not to hate back when we are hated.  You can not allow the negative feelings to take hold of you because it would destroy you.  In dealing with a N I focus on the fact that it is a spiritual battle and not a battle with the flesh. 
 
I hope this helps. 

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From: XtraMSN NicknameSailorsgirlSent: 7/09/2008 7:18 p.m.
For me, the ONLY things that work are:
 
1) NC
2) Remembering that "Ns" are, in my opinion, mentally and emotionally and spiritually SICK individuals.
3) Remembering that "what goes around comes around" and that the "Ns" WILL "get theirs"----if not in this world, then the next.  (Yes, I have seen "Ns" "get theirs."  However, because they NEVER see "cause and effect", they just keep on keeping on in their dysfunction.)
 
Warm blessings!

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamemorning_cheetahSent: 28/09/2008 9:51 p.m.
I think the responds here are with insight of a path they have known.

Like KathleenGrace1 - I understand her heartache.
The slander and loss of a whole side of family is ungodly hard.

hurt, and ungodly pain and bitterness holds us captive until we as individuals to find a way to make sense out of the CRAZY

TRANSFORM IT - MAKE SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF THE BAD that you have endured.

If you can find joy & give joy in life
Have you not found the peace and grace of life itself?

We do not know why we must have some experiences in life - but we do have a choice on how they will affect the rest of our lives.
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From: XtraMSN Nicknameaplsauce03Sent: 12/10/2008 8:57 p.m.
Could the bitterness just be the angry part of your grieving? I recently figured out that my daughter is an N. She is 24 her father also was an N, believe me, it's biological. She has never met him. I left him with my life, I had no shoes and several police cars circled our house with shot guns over the hoods when I escaped. She was 6 weeks old then. But she makes a better N than him, she could have given him a lesson. Finally I know that there was nothing wrong with me, I'm not crazy, I was just trying to deal with an impossible child. But I am angry at the time that I feel she stole from me. All she wanted was a victim, not a mother. She deprived me of fulfilling my need to love. I spent 24 years trying to be better, so that we could someday have a relationship, but it will never happen. That is painful, and I am grieving the loss.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamequeen_for_ever1Sent: 19/10/2008 4:22 a.m.
Humm, how to get rid of the bitterness.   After YEARS of bitterness myself (and I still struggle sometimes) the best thing to do is DON'T TAKE THE THOUGHT.    Instead, make the choice to forgive, say it out loud.   I forgive, so-and-so, it's not a feeling, it's a choice.   If you believe in God, all the better, mix in some Faith and bake. 
It will take some time in the oven, baking off all the bitterness, in the meantime work on all those reasons they effect you so much.  What it is you're missing in your life, what you didn't get, what you want, what you wish you were.   These things will build character in you - - -when that happens you'll be in the place you want to be with the emotionally, IN NEUTRAL. 

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