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From: XtraMSN NicknameElfaditiSent: 29/08/2008 9:03 a.m.
Sorry, for some reason I delete my original post. Here it is:

Hi,

I need help, as I think I am a daughter of a NPD person. I am in my late 30s and my life has been "controlled" by a very presumptuos mother.

At the moment she is in her late 70s and only relates to people who ftatter her somehow, (or she imagines they do). The other day for example she spent some time at the cleaners and the only thing she said when she came back was "the woman at the cleaners cares about me so much" and when my anser was that in my mind that was a "business" relationship, (you pay she cleans why would she care?) she got angry (AS ALWAYS) and walked away.
This is just one example of a very long list, I could spend hours telling stories.

No sooner she has an interaction with anybody only the part of some flattery towards her is reported.
The main problem is that she tried to be controlling and that it seems that I am paying for some fault. The problems arised when I chose to follow my path that did not match with her ideas. The revenge started. I have been told even by shopkeepers that she nagged about me, (and several). She spoke poorly about my partner and me with almost anybody she knows or meets telling them our private things, she has been building scenarios and even went to a lawyer to try to act against us, which of course was not possible.

She never ever said that she was sorry for whatever mistakes (in 38 years!) she made, because I think that she feels that she made no mistakes. (Her typical sentence when confronted with it was "do I have to lower myself to you?").
If a person is considered by her as being "nice" (mostly that corresponds to a certain economical "status" or looks), and this person comes up with any form of criticism towards her that person becomes the worst in the world.

I recently had two pregnancies. She keeps on saying that "I did change ohysically" that I "should workout" and "lose some weight". She even comes up with giving me some of her clothes telling me to try them on because they are too wide on her. The problem is that we weight the same (156 pound) but I am 5.6 and she is 4.9. When I feel upset she says that "she did not do it with bad intentions".

When confronted after the "rage" if something did not go well between the two of us, she tells me how "good she is", that she doesn't at all act in a wicked fashion and that her only interest is my family's happiness. Hard to believe when maybe 30 minutes before she claimed she doesn't give a ... about me.


I'll stop here, sorry for the long post.

My question is: I see all the symptoms of a NPD, all of them. Do you?
If so how do you deal with somebody who acts like this? She would never even consider going to a psicologist, I can imagine that if I were to suggest that she has NPD she would jump up the ceiling screaqming that I have a brain disease (she does that on a regular basis).

Thank you all for the help.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamepuppy180Sent: 14/09/2008 6:54 p.m.
Hi there, It certainly sounds like she is a narcissist to me. I think there isn't any way to change her behaviour. It is good that you understand that it is her with the problem. There is no therapy for a narcisist because they do not believe that they have  a problem. She is your mother and I don't know how bad she makes you feel, but you must realize that you are grown up now and you must stop worrying about getting her approval. My father is a narcisstic personality type. I always felt like nothing I did was good enough and he loves to be the centre of attention, but he is able to love me. My sister on the other hand is a malignant narcisist and has set out to destroy me both financially and emotionally so once the criminal trial is over I will never see her again, I hope! So you will have to decide how far you need to distance yourself from your mom to be happy. Yes it was an epiphany for me too. Good luck ,puppy180

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From: XtraMSN NicknameA-in-Pa1Sent: 15/09/2008 7:45 p.m.

She's 70 years old, I'm sure a narcissist will never consider that she may be the problem, and she's been getting away with this $hit for all of her adult life. <o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>

I think it's more important for you to realize what she is and what you are dealing with for you own sanity. It took me years to realize what I was dealing with and I almost lost my sanity because of dealing with this bull. Do not trust her in any way, don't provide her with any more personal information and kind of keep her at arms length in your dealings with her. When you have any conversations with her keep them general and superficial, and don't update any personal information. <o:p></o:p>

 <o:p></o:p>

One thing I did notice was her use of the phrase "do I have to lower myself to you?"  It always amazed my how my ex would always find some way to twist the use of these phrases. They never got them and always used them backwards.<o:p></o:p>

Good luck, I fortunately was able to divorce mine and cut him out of my life.<o:p></o:p>



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From: had enoughSent: 17/09/2008 2:42 a.m.
Hi,
N or not, she sounds like a totally controlling and disruptive person in your life. Can you put some distance between you two? This is what I've had to do with my n mother.
Big hugs,
Had Enough

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From: XtraMSN Nickname3bsandj4Sent: 20/09/2008 7:02 p.m.
I was able to divorce my NA, but having a parent must be very difficult.  My 4 kids will have to deal with the same thing someday I fear.  Right now they think their dad can do no wrong, because he shows his power over them by doing everything for them and buying them anything they want.  What they don't realize is that is his way of contoling them.  Someday they will get tired of how much he smothers them.  I guess the only thing is to limit the amount of time you spend with her and keep it short and sweet.  No point in making things an issue because they will never see it.  3bsandj4


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Sorry, for some reason I delete my original post. Here it is:

Hi,

I need help, as I think I am a daughter of a NPD person. I am in my late 30s and my life has been "controlled" by a very presumptuos mother.

At the moment she is in her late 70s and only relates to people who ftatter her somehow, (or she imagines they do). The other day for example she spent some time at the cleaners and the only thing she said when she came back was "the woman at the cleaners cares about me so much" and when my anser was that in my mind that was a "business" relationship, (you pay she cleans why would she care?) she got angry (AS ALWAYS) and walked away.
This is just one example of a very long list, I could spend hours telling stories.

No sooner she has an interaction with anybody only the part of some flattery towards her is reported.
The main problem is that she tried to be controlling and that it seems that I am paying for some fault. The problems arised when I chose to follow my path that did not match with her ideas. The revenge started. I have been told even by shopkeepers that she nagged about me, (and several). She spoke poorly about my partner and me with almost anybody she knows or meets telling them our private things, she has been building scenarios and even went to a lawyer to try to act against us, which of course was not possible.

She never ever said that she was sorry for whatever mistakes (in 38 years!) she made, because I think that she feels that she made no mistakes. (Her typical sentence when confronted with it was "do I have to lower myself to you?").
If a person is considered by her as being "nice" (mostly that corresponds to a certain economical "status" or looks), and this person comes up with any form of criticism towards her that person becomes the worst in the world.

I recently had two pregnancies. She keeps on saying that "I did change ohysically" that I "should workout" and "lose some weight". She even comes up with giving me some of her clothes telling me to try them on because they are too wide on her. The problem is that we weight the same (156 pound) but I am 5.6 and she is 4.9. When I feel upset she says that "she did not do it with bad intentions".

When confronted after the "rage" if something did not go well between the two of us, she tells me how "good she is", that she doesn't at all act in a wicked fashion and that her only interest is my family's happiness. Hard to believe when maybe 30 minutes before she claimed she doesn't give a ... about me.


I'll stop here, sorry for the long post.

My question is: I see all the symptoms of a NPD, all of them. Do you?
If so how do you deal with somebody who acts like this? She would never even consider going to a psicologist, I can imagine that if I were to suggest that she has NPD she would jump up the ceiling screaqming that I have a brain disease (she does that on a regular basis).

Thank you all for the help.

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From: XtraMSN NicknameAnnieashley1Sent: 21/09/2008 8:18 a.m.
Hi Elf,
My 79 yr. old N dad and I had an exchange today. It's amazing how many of the same things they say, My N dad said that I needed to have my head examined. (Which he says frequently.) I am so sorry you are going through this, it's hard isn't it?
 
Just remember that you did not cause her problems and you can't change her. It has helped me greatly to come to this site and see that it's not me! and I am not alone.
I am glad you shared with us!
Annie

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