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From: XtraMSN Nicknamejudywilling1  (Original Message)Sent: 17/09/2008 10:55 p.m.
I never see posts on these boards or forums about Narcissistic Adult Children.  Maybe because everyone thinks that if they tell, people will think it is THEIR fault. But I don't think it's always true.  My tall, handsome son was NEVER abused.  In fact, he had success in everything at a young age and was admired and adulated, which he loved and still loves!  . I obsess a lot over my relationship (or lack of one) with my 36 yr old son. We are so distant, I would even say we are currently "estranged."
 
I moved 3 mons.ago to be closer to my kids and attend his 2nd magnificent wedding.  First wife told me she felt like a "doormat."  Sound like she was his narcissistic sustenance.
 
My daughter and her husband helped very much with the move (I am 60 and divorced) She is a joy!  But he hasn't seen my new place and doesn't even know where I live.!!  I went to his wedding in late June -- to another Greek Goddess (so beautiful!)  we danced, but other than that, he didn't say much of anything.  I feel that he shuns me.  It Hurts!  It Hurts a lot!  He hurts his sister too!  Mostly, he IGNORES us because we are common, not wealthy, and not part of the "beautiful people"(my opinion)
 
Since I joined this group, I feel like a mystery has been solved . He is a Narcissist!  He has trouble with "true" intimacy, and really doesn't care about others or their feelings. I wonder if he is really a sick person and can't really help himself.  His father was similar.
 
For the last 8 years, after months of asking him to visit my dying mother, I have been walking on eggshells around him. I criticized him, which is Off Base.  I feel like I will have to make up for it the rest of my life, or be shunned.
 
He was a good child and a decent teenageer, but now he shows all the signs of N that made me divorce his father.  He has no children, and is obsessed with his looks and his many "toys" like a 60 inch plazma TV, nice house, etc.  Kids will consume his "precious time" and he knows it.  So they are going to wait a while, hmmm, like in the first marriage. I'm not sure they should have any.  New beautiful wife is selfish too. I called 3 times after their honeymoon in Hawaii to see her and have lunch, and she never answered or returned any messages!
 
These people are adults who totally ignore their mother, their niece, their sisters, and are totally self absorbed. I can't believe I raised such a selfish person!  I am NOT an N, and I was home with him for 10 yrs, was loving,  and available.  If anything, I was too encouraging and permissive. 
Things haven't been the same since my mother died. He wouldn't visit her after I begged.  I apologized for saying "I feel like I have one child, his sister" but I don't remember him ever apologizing for anything. 
 
I can't deal with this anymore. I called him after 2 months and blew up. That's what happens.  Snidely, he said, "as usual, it's been a pleasure speaking to you."  I can't help it.  I am human. I think he wants an invitation for a nice dinner and me to pay.  Then he would see me. 
 
I am seriously considering NC, as is his sister. I don't influence her, really!  I will speak to him if I see him someday, but my calls for contact are futile. Maybe I will see him at Christmas. (we live 5 miles apart).
 
If anyone has a similar situation, please share it with me.  I have to heal myself, and go on with my life.
 
Thanks for letting me vent.


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From: XtraMSN NicknameAnnieashley1Sent: 17/09/2008 11:44 p.m.
Hi Judy,
I think we as mothers take way too much responsibility (sometimes) for our chilrens choices. You did the best you could. There is a book by Dr. James Dobson --which I don't remember the name of--that talks about Adult Children going astray even after they were given every chance to become well-adjusted people. I know you are hurting. I'm sorry you are going thru this---
God Bless You,
Annie

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From: katySent: 18/09/2008 4:13 p.m.
NPD is like a fungus. It starts before birth and mushrooms as the affected NPD biped ages. Those of us who are shunned, abused, mistreated by NPDs, like your son, can only escape the subject conduct by removing ourselves from NPD clutches. Physically remove yourself as you relunctanly done so. I know. Am living it. I,too, divorced the NPD in the last year. Oh my goodness what a battle. Am I better for it financially? No. Am I better for it mentally, emotionally and physically? Yes. NPDs market themselves, control others (case in point: your new daughter-in-law who has been brainwashed about what a horrifically deficient mother you were including your equally lacking daughter and anyone affiliated with her) and wreak general confusion, havoc and depression. After all, NPDs want everyone to mirror them...uh, get it....mirror??

You are normal. You are sane, sage, established. Continue on the path of normalcy. I commend you for your bravery. You have cried absolute RIVERS of tears. OCEANS of tears. I am so sorry. But I know your plight and I know your trail of sorrow and tears and rejection. You did everything humanly and heroically possible for the ex-husband (who continues on the his morbid trail of NPD), your daughter, your NPD son.

The answer? There is none. This is completely incurable. Read ANY book on NPD. I read seven excellent books on NPD within three weeks in August 2007, consulted a top shelf psychologist (who did not influence my consults) and filed for divorce on September 13, 2007. My divorce will become absolutely final in October. My ex-husband of 24 years? A monster in th end. I endured lies (they are excellent liars, huh?), control, brainwashing, money mongering (millions hidden) and am estranged now from our two teenage children because of his control (monetarily and verbally) over them. People used to marvel over the loving and beautiful relationships I had with my two children. It was easy for me and for them to have lovely relationships with my children. But my ex slaughtered my life and any future with them. The rest is in God's Hands. That is ALL you can do. Surround yourself with awesome loving friends and family. Your son? Trust me. It is HIS loss. YOU, I can tell, are sound as a dollar and a truly lovely woman in all facets. YOU have been baptized by fire. I am proud of you for your intelligence to come to these NPD boards and read and discern truths. I am proud of you for recognizing the pitfalls of NPD. I am proud of your courage and strength. Again, I know what you have gone through and are going through. You understand that you once were perfect perfect NPD supply for your son and ex-husband. However, when you blew the whistle and asked all the 'wrong' questions, that is when the jig was up for your ex and your son. They'd been found out.

Your son? He will never have children. He has promised his second wife children. It will never happen. He will pull the rug out from underneath her. She is arm candy for him; a mirror, a dishonest reflection of himself. That's all. You can bet she gets her share of ruthless verbal beratings and emotional abuse. Allow her to go through her own fire. Such is life.

Take care of you. Build your life up and again. I imagine you to be highly gifted and intelligent; a prize for any excellent friend and man with whom you can share the remainder of this life. Again, I am living your life. The difference? I am 47. I grew up with my NPD ex-husband; knew him since I was 12. You can call me anything you want from stupid to experienced. I am all of it since I was living a lie my entire life with my ex-NPD husband.

Chin up. Katy

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamejudywilling1Sent: 19/09/2008 6:25 p.m.
Oh Katy: 
 
Thank you so much for your reply.  I feel really sorry for you, and actually think that currently YOUR problems are worse than mine! 
 
YOU are the strong one, considering what you are currently going through.  Losing 2 kids because of N is horrible!  I am proud of you for trying to help others when you are in such distress.  
 
My divorce from xNh was a nightmare, too.  He wanted everything, the kids, the house, EVERYTHING.  And he wouldn't move out either after I filed in July of 1989. Divorce was final in 9/91. 1My lawyer told me not to leave, but after a year of seeing Nsitting and doing nothing but watching TV and hoarding things, even his "special food"  I left. 
 
My 13 year old daughter left with me after he said, "If you want to live with your mom, fine.  You will never spend another night here. She never did.  He stopped taking her to school and left her sitting and crying and calling me to come home from work to get her to school and get a mid-term Bus Pass. 
 
And rather than joint custody with regular visitation, he wanted me to have "sole: custody and only saw her when I prodded her to call him on his Bday an father's day, etc.  I said you must still respect your parents and two wrongs don't make a right!  He is still married, but my daughter is a saint, and always has him over for X-mas, not the other way around.
 
As my lawyer had warned, HE got the house.  He is still there 18 yrs later with new wife who he moved in 4 months after I left -- (his girlfriend) with her daugher!!!  THAT drives me crazy, to this day.
 
 I brought my babies home to that house, and remember it like it was yesterday!   I recommend that nobody give up their house if you were the first family there and brought babies home to it!  It has been emotionally devistating for me. 
 
This is all old news, but I think my son has a genetic predisposition to  NPD behavior. We used to be very close.
 
I am going to see xNh and his wife this weekend.  Please think of me and pray for me if you are religious.  My daughter is having her new baby baptized and we are all invited.  I will go with my sister.
 
Please write me any time you want,  and God Bless You and give you strength. 
 
As the years pass, even if you are poor, like I am, you will feel better.
 
Hugs,
 
Judy 
 
 
 
 

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