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From: XtraMSN NicknameĶMA▪Ờŋļŷ▪Ķîśśé�?/nobr>  (Original Message)Sent: 28/09/2008 4:47 p.m.
About 6 weeks ago I had my N arrested for domestic violence.  Upon appearing in court for a protective order for me and my children I was served by an attorney representing my ex-N  for custody and visitation of our 6 month old son.  One of the main reasons I had him arrested to begin with, is he was threatening to kill our infant in order to truly hurt me.  "I will take away the one thing I know you love the most in this world" was his exact comment. I was beaten so many times throughout my pregnancy for not having an abortion. 
 
He does not truly want visitation or pay child support.  The N has been in and out of jails/prison 4 times over a 4 year period.  Of course I was lead to believe that this was a fault in our judicial system and not until his recent arrest did I find out the truth.
 
He is NOT listed on our sons birth certificate and therefore must be legitimized before any further court proceedings can take place.  The various attorney's I have spoke with mainly recommend I agree with the legitmation and then perhaps later fight the custody battle when he is released from jail.  (By the way he has a hold in another county for his 7th DUI charge and is facing at least a 2 year prison sentence for repeat offender.)   Of course he has bleed me dry financially to almost the point of no return. His mother is financing all of his legal cost so to this man who has not worked in 10 years there is no loss to him and can battle forever.
 
One attorney has recommended that I fight NOT to allow legitimation and prevent him from ever having any rights, but the state of Georgia strongly supports fathers rights.
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for me?
 
Also know of any free legal assistance?
 
Thank you.


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From: XtraMSN NicknameBoughtMyOWNGlassSlipperSent: 28/09/2008 7:43 p.m.
Hi there KMA - welcome!
 
I'm sorry to hear that you're dealing with what sounds, to me, like a psychopath.
 
Here's a link to YOUR (GA) state laws about divorce, annulment, paternity. This summary says what and how:
 

Parentage Overview

In parentage cases (also called "paternity cases"), the court says who a child's parents are. If parents are married when a child is born, there is usually no question about parentage. The law assumes that the husband is the father.

Parents who are not married when a child is born can sign a Voluntary Acknowledgment of Paternity before they leave the hospital or after. The acknowledgment is recorded in the putative father registry maintained by the Department of Human Resources. See O.C.G.A. §19-7-46.1

When people who are not married can't agree about paternity, the court can order genetic testing. The superior and state courts have concurrent jurisdiction in all proceedings for the determination of paternity of children who are residents of this state.

Usually a child's parentage must be established before you can get child support or custody and visitation orders. You can ask the judge for child support or custody and visitation orders as part of a case that establishes the child's parentage.

SO check out "See O.C.G.A. §19-7-46.1"

CHECK out the following:

  • If your household is low-income, you may qualify for civil legal services or pro bono (no charge) services. See The Georgia Legal Services Program web site and the State Bar of Georgia Pro Bono Project web site
  • Georgia Legal-Aid.org
  • If the N is a CONVICT (and it looks like he's a repeat offender, no less!) - and doesn't HAVE his name on the child's birth certificate...those would be the two facts I'd start researching.

    IF the N IS scheduled to go to prison, and has a long record....hide out and wait; wait and LET THEM LOCK HIM UP!  lol

    I'm assuming you are not employed or are underemployed for the pro bono aspect to be put to work FOR you.

    Establish NC right away if you haven't already, or KEEP NC if you HAVE it established.

    Don't worry about his atty - [his "mama" paying his bills, phhht, whatta "BIG MAN!"] - an N loser, like the one you described, would most likely NEVER be awarded custody; going the court/legal route though, a judge COULD however, award YOU sole custody AND Child Support.

    The rule of CYOA applies.  DO your research. Ask questions. GET YOUR OWN ATTORNEY, before replying to anything sent by N or N's atty to YOU. DOCUMENT EVERYTHING, phone calls, harassing voice mails, letters, notes - from HIM or ANY representative OF him (mom, atty, sibs, etc.)

    If there's a court date coming up soon, and you have no atty yet - you can simply go into court on your own (Pro Se) and ask for a continuance to obtain counsel/atty.

    Simply tell the judge you

    1. haven't had the opportunity to obtain counsel,
    2. that you were SERVED THESE papers IN COURT as you were seeking a restraining order (tell Judge if you actually GOT one and why, if it applies) against the N;
    3. that you've been blindsided by the Plaintiff's hasty filing of HIS documents and that you are simply not ready to pursue TWO legal avenues at the same time.

    If you DID get the R.O., use that as justification whenever possible.

    Keep a notebook (you might find you need several - one for documenting phone calls, one for keeping track of both cases): Case number, action title, and a brief summary of action/court dates/outcomes-to-date as a reference.

    lecture over, class -

    AND...READ READ READ everything you possibly can in here; check out lovefraud website. Check out the http://www.georgiacourts.org/aoc/selfhelp/legal.html

    I hope this gets you started. I hope you come back here often, too. You'll find a ton of positive support and good advice here.

    ~BMOGS~

     


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    From: XtraMSN NicknameBoughtMyOWNGlassSlipperSent: 28/09/2008 7:56 p.m.
    PS - you didn't say whether or not you had HIRED any of the '
     
    The various attorney's I have spoke with mainly recommend I agree with the legitmation
    Jaysez marryin Joseph...if you can AVOID an EXPENSIVE and destructive FIGHT - DO NOT DO THAT.
     
    DO NOT AGREE TO LEGITIMIZATION.
     
    Why? Because that will give the courts jurisdiction over you.
     
    and then perhaps later fight the custody battle when he is released from jail. 
     
    SURE.... just let him plan with his prison buddies for TWO YEARS, then let him get out in two years to COME AFTER YOU with an ALREADY ESTABLISHED "CAUSE".
     
    - OMG -
     
    please don't do that...make him start from scratch AFTER prison - don't just hand him the case and then WAIT to fight it out.  Establish yourself as PRIMARY CUSTODIAL PARENT for the TWO years N is locked up - USE common sense and SAVE YOURSELF THE GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    IF you were to "SAY" he's NOT the father, at least for NOW - you'd save yourself a ton of trouble with a visitation and custody case. 
     
    UNLESS you've applied for public aid for children, they cannot compel you to submit your child for testing.
     
    MAKE HIM foot the charges, file the paperwork, MAKE HIM MAKE the ADMISSION, AND do not agree to the testing UNLESS AND UNTIL it is court ordered.
     
    IF you want to circumvent a LONG drawn out trial over visitation and custody - get an attorney of your own.
     
    CUT the b @stid OUT of your life NOW. Let him go to prison... then you'll have two years to plan, and get your ducks in a row.
     
    Best the best parent you can be - especially since it looks like THAT means: Get rid of the LOSER NOW!
     
    ~BMOGS~

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    From: XtraMSN NicknameĶMA▪Ờŋļŷ▪Ķîśśé�?/nobr>Sent: 28/09/2008 8:12 p.m.
    BMOGS,  Thank you for your advise.  I do have a protective order in place for one year and because I am employeed and make what most consider a nice living I am not eligible for any assistance.  This does not mean I have money to spare by any means.  My ex has placed me in financial ruin. 
     
    After he was arrested I found out that he had been milking my checking account for money for sometime.  When I contacted the police, there was nothing I could do because we were living together in what they refer to as domestic partnership.
     
    I will NEVER go back to that man or rescue him as I once did.  I plan to fight him all the way and protect my son from the damage his father could inflict upon his life.
     
    I am trying to educate myself and prepare mentally for what I am about to go through.
     
    Thank you once again!

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    From: XtraMSN Nicknameaegiss1Sent: 29/09/2008 6:11 a.m.
    Hi KMA,
    Welcome! I'm soo glad you got the RO! I'm so glad you found this site. I think you're standing up and saying no more is awesome! You're protecting yourself and your child and it doesn't get better than that.
    Listen to BMOG, her advice just rocks, PlumFrog's too!
    I know you said his momma pays the bills. Your situation and mine have a ton of similarities, but myxn was a saint comparatively. Despite momma paying, tuck away in your mind that usually if the man presses the case on legitimation, at least in my state which is not georgia, he has to pay for the DNA test. Here that is roughly $2000. Info like that is good to know. <bigevilgrins>
    Good luck, I sure hope you visit this site often. It's sure been a godsend for me!
    ~aegiss

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    From: XtraMSN NicknameBoughtMyOWNGlassSlipperSent: 30/09/2008 3:56 a.m.
    TY  aegiss, for the "props"
     
    It's just that I hate to see anyone "stuck" with an N (or Psychopath, since the way KMA described this guy, he SOUNDS like one).
     
    MAKE him PAY for legitimization/DNA processes - because EVEN IF his "mama" CAN pay for it - perhaps she won't.
     
    I can only encourage you, KMA, to keep SPACE between you and the N; to make him FIGHT for "his rights" and HOPE TO GAWD he goes to jail for two yrs. The establishment of YOURSELF as the PRIMARY PARENT, coupled with the FACT that the N isn't listed on the BC, can only work in your favor at this point.
     
    I am NOT a lawyer, but HAVE studied abnormal-psych; and being emoiled in a 2+ yr long custody battle over myguys' S7 - has inspired me to go back to school FOR BA in Psych, with a Masters in Criminal Justice to follow - so that I CAN eventually do psych evals and go to bat in court, for the NON-N parent of children.
     
    This site is great - come here often - you never know when JUST the RIGHT bit of advice will pop up in here. I wish you LOTS of luck and all the best.
     
    ~BMOGS~

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    From: XtraMSN NicknameBoughtMyOWNGlassSlipperSent: 30/09/2008 3:58 a.m.
    OOPS
     
    I meant "EMBROILED" in a 2+ yr long custody battle...
     
    ~BMOGS~

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    From: XtraMSN NicknamelivedthroughitSent: 30/09/2008 11:41 a.m.
    I have to say that I agree with the other posters here that I would fight it. I didn't fight it, and I have regreted it ever since.

    I say make him take the steps he needs to take to get his name on the birth certificate. It doesn't sound like this man is someone who your son would ever be safe around. Because your ExN is having so many other legal woes right now, he may not be inclined to go to court for any reason.

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    From: XtraMSN NicknameĶMA▪Ờŋļŷ▪Ķîśśé�?/nobr>Sent: 2/10/2008 3:29 a.m.
    I want to THANK each of you for your advice, support and encouragement. 
     
    Update:
     
    I was able to obtain a loan for the attorney and I have decided to fight to NOT have my son legitimized. I honestly hate to deprive my son of knowing his father, but strongly believe that it is in his best interest to sever all ties now while he is just an infant.  I have been proactive for so many years for 2 parent families, so I find this to be very disheartening. The attorney strongly believes I have a pretty open and shut case to present to the judge in my favor. Time will tell....
     
    I have also contacted the District Attorney who has now added 5 more charges to his case of domestic violence.  She is also pushing to have his probation in other counties reinstated for past criminal history.  She also informed me that he has another 2 holds for other issues that I was never aware of. 
     
    One last note...
     
    The amount of people this disease has an effect on is overwhelming to say the least.  I honestly was not aware of this disorder until about a year ago when my x-N started showing the 1st signs and doing a search on the web.  Why isnt there more news, support, or awareness to prevent women or men from falling prey to these monsters?
     
    Once again THANK YOU to each of you and trust that I will continue to fight a strong battle for the sake of my child.  God Bless!

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