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From: XtraMSN Nicknamejojo_starts_again  (Original Message)Sent: 26/10/2008 12:09 p.m.
Another thing ive thought of.....

when we went , and i say went because i am never going on another holiday with his again, it was never a holiday , i was always wanting to come home the next day because i had said something wrong and he had blown up in my face yet again,,,,,when we did go away together it was ALWAYS, where HE wanted to go, never where WE ( me and the girls ) wanted to go , it HAD to be his way or no way.....

what about you , did you get to choose where you went on holiday or vacation or was it always his choice.......

i remember on our honeymoon , i really wanted to go to some exotic island or place that we would never forget, or at least to somewhere hot just for that once , my family even offered to help pay for such a honeymoon as by that time they had him all figured out..........except me..........
we live in the UK , and we ended up going down south to the seaside. it was nice , but i didnt get my dream honeymoon and also my parents gave him money so we could get taxi's and buses everywhere so we didnt have to walk, so what did he do , he made us walk everywhere and kept the money for himself...........

when i remember things like this i get so annoyed and know i am doing the right thing x x

oh and by the way , he didnt pay 1 penny towards the wedding?????


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From: XtraMSN Nicknamegoingnorth2Sent: 26/10/2008 5:43 p.m.
It's said that they can't love. 
 
I think some of them can. 
 
They love money. 

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From: XtraMSN NicknameWhatjusthappened0Sent: 26/10/2008 5:50 p.m.
North! Hit the nail on the head........they do LOVE money. Not surprising they put all their eggs in that basket considering they are the most shallow human beings walking this earth........lol.
 
You think Trump is an N. I've never followed anything about him, but, I bet he is lol.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamesarigul220Sent: 26/10/2008 6:03 p.m.
Dear Goingnorth

I agree and I dont with that..even money they do not love
but they fill their empty soulds with it.
If NH had money he put on the generous spender mask( ..well if he could get something in return for that) if he HAD to pay something simple as a bill he behaved crazy as if someone would take something away from him.so he always payed late or not at all..
If he didnt have any money all his emptyness became clear..

Vacations..only if the destination was"usefull'fo him-
not for the children.
Once we went skiing(I didnt) children went to a beginner class but he (40) had to have private lesson for snowboarding..
When I left the children with him and my son couldnt reach the toilet outthere in the snow NH left my son with the wet trousers for an hour on his own and didnt bring him back to me to the hotel since Nh didnt want to be "interrupted"while snowboarding...

Vacations made everything even more worse

x
Sarigul

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamegoingnorth2Sent: 26/10/2008 6:09 p.m.
You're probably right, Sarigul. 
 
I feel sorry for them.  Not sorry enough to hang out with them, though. 
 
GN

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefearscynicSent: 27/10/2008 7:40 p.m.
I always ask him where he wants to go on vacation and/or long weekends.  He says he doesn't care so I pick some place I'd like to go.
 
He then proceeds to ruin the trip by creating conflict w/me &/or my daughter.  He loves getting crappy in public, especially when other families are having a great time.
 
Finally, when we're back home he complains that HE never gets to choose where we go.
 
We did not go on vacation at all this past summer, and I will never fund another vacation as long as he's part of it.  I have started leaving him out of our weekend day trips.  And, not only does he attempt to ruin EVERY holiday, we can't even go to the grocery store without him trying to create a scene. 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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From: XtraMSN Nicknameneveraga1nSent: 27/10/2008 8:00 p.m.
Same here: XNH so lazy we would never go on a holiday if it weren't for me organising it. Irregardless of where we went, those were the worst days of the year. I learned to dread them well in advance.
 
Each holiday would force him to quit smoking cannabis and make him even more miserable as a partner then usual. Besides, being on holiday takes away your usual options of drawing back, no room for yourself. The last summer holiday we spent together he turned into the same devil that drove me to insanity that holiday when I was pregnant of my DD and ready to jump of a bridge. I didn't have any plans ready yet, but I SWORE to myself there and then that this was the last time I was going to put up with him on holiday ever.
 
Boy I HATED holidays with the N.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamegoingnorth2Sent: 27/10/2008 8:37 p.m.
Everywhere we ever went, I paid for it.  And he acted like a jerk. 
 
GN

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From: AffectionatedragonSent: 28/10/2008 2:01 a.m.
Holidays/Vacations.. always HIS family, never mine. My family was just a second thought.
I feel horrible guilt when I think of all the times we went back home, and the very little time I got to see my own family. They only lived five miles away from his. It makes me sick to think I went along with his attitude..

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From: XtraMSN NicknameN3SXSent: 28/10/2008 3:26 a.m.
Looking back he ruined every holiday, occasion, anniversary, B'day our WEDDING! Honey moon...it goes on and on and I can't believe it took me so long to figure it out! Subtle...Complaining Even worse after we had a kid. The he would plan runs, biking all of it around the holidqay parties so we could never enjoy anything. Sick, Sad and Lonely Lives

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From: XtraMSN NicknameWhatjusthappened0Sent: 28/10/2008 3:35 a.m.
Gosh, what common things we share.
 
Hated our holiday to Europe. He didn't touch me and only cared about where to eat next.
 
Baby shower ruined by him for our DD. Don't remember the details.......it just came back to me the other day that I was upset, and I remembered when I was crying on the way there with my sweet gals friends waiting.
 
Last Christmas.......14 days after I lost my Dad.....I was told to suck it up for the kids. I asked him politely to go on auto pilot for me please and that I was in a lot of pain. Cold as ice....
 
The kicker.......the first father's day after Dad's passing......I was told this is MY day and you can just stay home if you're going to be selfish like this and ruin this for everyone.
 
What a bastard field rat. I don't know what stage the anger hits...........but, it's here with me. I can guarantee had one of his parents passed or he stubbed his big toe........the end of the world would have been upon us and I would have to be his adoring and understanding spouse while he suffered through it or I would have been called the devil himself. I'm not kidding either.........

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 28/10/2008 7:05 p.m.

A Holiday Grudge

Narcissists and Happiness

By: Dr. Sam Vaknin


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Holiday blues are a common occurrence even among the mentally sound. In me they provoke a particularly virulent strain of pathological envy. I am jealous at others for having a family, or for being able to celebrate lavishly, or for being in the right, festive mood. My cognitive dissonances crumble. I keep telling myself: "Look at those inferior imitations of humans, slaves of their animated corpses, wasting their time, pretending to be happy". Yet, deep inside, I know that I am the defective one. I realize that my inability to rejoice is a protracted and unusual punishment meted out to me by my very self. I am sad and enraged. I want to spoil it for those who can. I want them to share my misery, to reduce them to my level of emotional abstinence and absence.

I hate humans because I am unable to be one.

A long time ago, I wrote (http://samvak.tripod.com/archive22.html ):

"I hate holidays and birthdays, including my birthday. It is because I hate it when other people are happy if I am not the cause of it. I have to be the prime mover and shaker of EVERYONE's mood. And no one will tell me HOW I should feel. I am my own master. I feel that their happiness is false, fake, forced. I feel that they are hypocrites, dissimulating joy where there is none. I feel envious, humiliated by my envy, and enraged by my humiliation. I feel that they are the recipients of a gift I will never have: the ability to enjoy life and to feel joy.

And then I do my best to destroy their mood:  I bring bad news, provoke a fight, make a disparaging remark, project a dire future, sow uncertainty in the relationship, and when the other person is sour and sad, I feel relieved.

It's back to normal. My mood improves dramatically and I try to cheer her up. Now if she does cheer up - it is REAL. It is my doing. I controlled it.

And I controlled HER."

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Holidays remind me of my childhood, of the supportive and loving family I never had, of what could have been, and never was, and, as I grow older, I know, will never be. I feel deprived and, coupled with my rampant paranoia, I feel cheated and persecuted. I rail against the indifferent injustice of a faceless, cold world. Holidays are a conspiracy of the emotional haves against the emotional haves not.

Birthdays are an injury, an imposition, a reminder of vulnerability, a fake event artificially construed. I destroy in order to equalize the misery. I rage in order to induce rage. Holidays create in me an abandon of negative, nihilistic emotions, the only ones I consciously possess.

On holidays and on my birthday, I make it a point to carry on routinely.

I accept no gifts, I do not celebrate, I work till the wee hours of the night. It is a demonstrative refusal to participate, a rejection of social norms, an "in your face" statement of withdrawal. It makes me feel unique. It makes me feel even more deprived and punished. It feeds the furnace of hatred, the bestial anger, the all engulfing scorn I harbour. I want to be drawn out of my sulk and pouting - yet, I decline any such offer, evade any such attempt, hurt those who try to make me smile and to forget. In times like that, in holidays and birthdays, I am reminded of this fundamental truth: my voluptuous, virulent, spiteful, hissing and spitting grudge is all I have. Those who threaten to take it away from me - with their love, affection, compassion, or care - are my mortal enemies indeed.


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From: XtraMSN Nicknameshamu571Sent: 28/10/2008 7:39 p.m.
OMG, another topic I have to say "same here."

Every vacation, I planned/paid. All I got from him was complains..

Last vacation was Hawaii. My company biz related so most of them were paid by my job expenses. When I filed for divorce, he told me that he cried 3 times during our stay in Hawaii because I forced him to come with me so he could babysit our boys. That's so not true. I cut many biz meeting to avoid his rage. He went out all by himself everyday!

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