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From: XtraMSN Nicknamejojo_starts_again  (Original Message)Sent: 11/11/2008 8:54 p.m.
when ive left before , mine has constantly threatened suicide but never, obviously, done it.

Do you know of any N that have actually done it?

Or what do Cerebal N's do if you dont go back , do they look for new supply even though they dont do sex?

Jo x x

just preparing myself......x


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From: XtraMSN Nicknamenobodysfool3756Sent: 11/11/2008 9:04 p.m.
There have been a couple of members here whose Ns actually did commit suicide. They probably had co-morbidities like BPD besides "simple" narcissism. Ns will say anything (including, sometimes, threatening suicide) to maintain control of their sources. It is not common, though, for an N to follow through, and even if one does, it is their own choice, and NOT the fault of the one who left.

As to cerebral Ns, you say "they don't do sex", but that isn't strictly true. They will "do sex" for as long as it takes to lock in new supply. In the beginning, the distinction between the cerebral and somatic is not obvious.

Of course they look for new supply... they can't function without it. Although it is possible that they can get some level of supply from their work or hobbies or church contacts. Mine coached youth sports in the community and got a great deal of supply from his players, the parents, the local sportswriters, etc... And, of course, it was also a handy way to meet single and unhappily married mothers, teachers, and sports fans.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamedis_jointedSent: 14/11/2008 5:23 a.m.
ha, whattya know, my xN just texted me tonight about wanting to kill himself. This is an every other day text topic though, nothing new.

I need to look up the cerebral N. Is that where they have sex at first and then none? That's how my relationship was.


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From: XtraMSN Nicknamelil_sexy_devil_02Sent: 14/11/2008 1:42 p.m.
The ex N threatened suicide when I kicked his ass to the curb as well. I noticed a pattern with the N threatening suicide whenever the N received a NI. The ex N was a somatic N and once I booted him the revolving door of OW began until the N secured his next victim. The ex N can not stand to be alone. 

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamejojo_starts_againSent: 14/11/2008 10:20 p.m.
dis jointed

i think mine is a cerebal N too.
At first our sex life was good, and then i had our first daughter - nearly died by the way having her and then he blamed me for us not having sex for over a year , in fact he still uses that whenever i mention the no sex part of our relationship.
We have now not had sex or anything sexual for over 8 years and i think ive been a good wife , even though now if he came into me i would run a mile anyway..........
but he still uses that year that i was recovering from nearly dying ,
he keeeps saying that i should be grateful as other men wouldnt have waited?????

Yes it was good at the beggining and then nothing.........

and he does keep threatening to kill himself everytime i leave.........
next time i think i will say -
hang on and let me put me shoes on so i can watch.....x

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From: XtraMSN NicknamehumingbirdwingsSent: 15/11/2008 12:49 a.m.
I think my dad is an N. He made my mom's life miserable. They divorced and he married again. He tried his crap on the new wife, threatening to commit suicide. She told him matter of factly to go ahead, she couldn't care less. She'd ignore his b.s. when he tried that trick. Anyway, that was back in the 1970s and he hasn't killed himself yet. She was probably hoping he would. No one would have been sorry.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamewildwon59Sent: 15/11/2008 2:10 a.m.
The x husband threatened suicide. It kept me tied to him. He was a compulsive gambler and I was very unhappy. He threatened suicide once while he was truck driving. He was an over the road truck driver. Long haul. I had no way of contacting him. The counselor told me if he was going to kill himself he would do it weather he was with me or not. That statement freed me. I finally did get a divorce and he never did kill himself. I live years with that threat. I was very very unhappy. The n I was with found someone else to take my place. When I was with both of them I got to a place where I decided I was just as sick as they were, and I was going to get better, and that meant being alone without them. I think it worked. Now I have to be careful that I don't fall for the wrong person again. I am very slow to give my heart away now. I would rather be and happy and content alone than be with someone in a sick chaotic relationship, that makes me very unhappy.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamesweetcaroline703Sent: 15/11/2008 4:03 p.m.
XN apparently attempted suicide too but lo and behold, he is alive and well!!!! Don't buy the suicide crap.It is another form of manipulation . In my case, I felt that if N wanted to do that, It really wasn't my problem anyway. Sadly and fortunately, when we leave them, they carry on their merry way-on to another victim and keep on doing what they do best-destroy.

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From: XtraMSN NicknameTrinity38100Sent: 15/11/2008 5:34 p.m.
XN actually committed suicide...BUT, by virture of a miracle!  He was brought back to life!  What could that miracle be?  Oh my goodness, it was a vision of ME, yes, ME, waiting for him on the other side telling him to come back!
 
Yet, while he was in the hospital in a coma (gosh, no one knew what hospital, it was a national secret  ) some ghost was posting new information every day on his myspace page!
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LOL, the whole thing was an elaborate scheme to make me contact him cause I dumped him.  Manipulation, pure and simple.
 
If he ever does off himself, it is his decision and responsibility, not mine or anyone else's.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamesweetcaroline703Sent: 15/11/2008 8:07 p.m.
ooofff Trinity-crack me up. XN was so similar. They are so very predictibly predictable aren't they?

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From: XtraMSN NicknameKitcat08Sent: 15/11/2008 9:09 p.m.
When it came right down to the wire leaving him, I almost couldn't for fear he would commit suicide.    My friend who was urging me to leave that night, told me that he was controlling me with that threat.  It became crystal clear.  And then my friend said this is it, I'm not here for you after tonight if you stay.  Keep in mind that I had lost every single other friend I had because of XN.    I left.  And he didn't kill himself.  I was wishing he would.  I was praying for it, but he didn't do it.  He just stuck around to make my life miserable for a few more years.
 
Also, I was so depressed, really....it was him or me.  I was dying an emotional death, suicidal, almost, except I had a 10 yr old who I couldn't do that to.    At the end, it didn't really matter too much to me if he did.  I had been praying for a big truck to hit him while he was out doing his bicycle rides.  So, the excuse of him actually doing it was, just that, an excuse. 
 
This is the first year I've had almost complete NC with the man.  It's been the year I've been able to do a bunch of letting go and forgiving.    NC is definately the way to go with these people.  Any opening at all is just another chance to get to us.  I feel really bad for those with small children because complete NC is impossible. 

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamemad120780Sent: 16/11/2008 3:18 a.m.
Oh yea!
The exNB Alco I knew for 4 years trapped me right from the beginning with suidcide threats and because he was obviously depressed I believed him - so when he wanted to D&D - he couldn't leave - he already lost his job, apartment and car during the first 4 months we were together (gag). I was so afraid something would happen to him I begged him not to leave me. We all know how that ended. He even had the nerve to tell me it would end badly and of course it did. Took me a few years to escape and I am well and happy now. NC all the way.... Peae
 
 

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamethx-rachelSent: 16/11/2008 3:16 p.m.
When I finally left for good after finding out about my CN's affair, he:
 
Complained to his family as loudly as he could for about 2 years about what a b**** I was and how I had wrecked our family;
 
then had a string of gfs, none of whom could meet his lofty expectations (meaning, they refused to put their existence on hold to focus on his);
 
and after all that, married a self-absorbed histrionic. From all family accounts, there are lots of fights and plenty o'drama.
 
did I mention what a good idea my divorce was???  LOL 

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From: XtraMSN NicknameKitcat08Sent: 16/11/2008 3:35 p.m.
Okay, so he did not commit suicide when I left. One of the first things he did was take MY address book and call all my friends and family and told them "what I had done" and that I abandoned our son as well. (lie--I took my son with me). Then he went into a downward spiral for about a month. He went to NA, got a sponsor, got a therepist, had all these people "helping him". He would call me and beg me to come back. When I said "we'll see", he would scream at me, calling me names and telling me to rot in hell. (Like I would go back to THAT!) Then he started fishing for new supply on the internet. He moved one girl (who left her husband with 4 kids) in with him. She was suppose to help pay the rent. Then he found a real piece of work who owned her own home, and he moved in with her. About 5 months into the split. About 4 months later I took him to court because this GF and her kids were abusing my son. He moved out of her house and went homeless to keep our son. I have to hand it to him for that. Then he settled in, found a nice guy to rent a room from and straightened himself out. This was almost a year later. Now he lives with a nice woman whose father bought a house for her. He took his time trolling the internet and came up with a nice one, and one he doesn't have to pay rent to. I have never "been allowed" to talk with her more than in passing. LOL. But she's good to my son, and that's all that mattered to me. This is what he did when I left.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknameharmony615Sent: 16/11/2008 11:35 p.m.
yeah the suicide thing rares its head sooner or later. Its there last resort to control someone. How sad. What happens when we leave them is we eventually heal and get a life. What happens to them? If they don't seek help they repeat it all over again, with another NS and round an round they go. Basically its better for me to not worry about them but put my energy and thoughts into me and my family and be greatful that I am free and out of that misery.

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 17/11/2008 4:59 p.m.

The Relief of Being Abandoned

By: Dr. Sam Vaknin

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The dissolution of the abuser's marriage or other meaningful (romantic, business, or other) relationships constitutes a major life crisis and a scathing narcissistic injury. To soothe and salve the pain of disillusionment, he administers to his aching soul a mixture of lies, distortions, half-truths and outlandish interpretations of events around him.

All abusers present with rigid and infantile (primitive) defense mechanisms: splitting, projection, Projective Identification, denial, intellectualization, and narcissism. But some abusers go further and decompensate by resorting to self-delusion. Unable to face the dismal failures that they are, they partially withdraws from reality.

The Masochistic Avoidant Solution

The abuser directs some of this fury inwards, punishing himself for his "failure". This masochistic behavior has the added "benefit" of forcing the abuser's closest to assume the roles of dismayed spectators or of persecutors and thus, either way, to pay him the attention that he craves.

Self-administered punishment often manifests as self-handicapping masochism �?a cop-out. By undermining his work, his relationships, and his efforts, the increasingly fragile abuser avoids additional criticism and censure (negative supply). Self-inflicted failure is the abuser's doing and thus proves that he is the master of his own fate.

Masochistic abusers keep finding themselves in self-defeating circumstances which render success impossible �?and "an objective assessment of their performance improbable" (Millon, 2000). They act carelessly, withdraw in mid-effort, are constantly fatigued, bored, or disaffected and thus passive-aggressively sabotage their lives. Their suffering is defiant and by "deciding to abort" they reassert their omnipotence.

The abuser's pronounced and public misery and self-pity are compensatory and "reinforce (his) self-esteem against overwhelming convictions of worthlessness" (Millon, 2000). His tribulations and anguish render him, in his eyes, unique, saintly, virtuous, righteous, resilient, and significant. They are, in other words, self-generated Narcissistic Supply.

Thus, paradoxically, the worst his anguish and unhappiness, the more relieved and elated such an abuser feels! He is "liberated" and "unshackled" by his own self-initiated abandonment, he insists. He never really wanted this commitment, he tells any willing (or buttonholed) listener �?and anyhow, the relationship was doomed from the beginning by the egregious excesses and exploits of his wife (or partner or friend or boss).

The Delusional Narrative Solution

This kind of abuser constructs a narrative in which he figures as the hero �?brilliant, perfect, irresistibly handsome, destined for great things, entitled, powerful, wealthy, the centre of attention, etc. The bigger the strain on this delusional charade �?the greater the gap between fantasy and reality �?the more the delusion coalesces and solidifies.

Finally, if it is sufficiently protracted, it replaces reality and the abuser's reality test deteriorates. He withdraws his bridges and may become schizotypal, catatonic, or schizoid.

The Antisocial Solution

This type of abuser has a natural affinity with the criminal. His lack of empathy and compassion, his deficient social skills, his disregard for social laws and morals �?now erupt and blossom. He becomes a full fledged antisocial (sociopath or psychopath). He ignores the wishes and needs of others, he breaks the law, he violates all rights �?natural and legal, he holds people in contempt and disdain, he derides society and its codes, he punishes the ignorant ingrates �?that, to his mind, drove him to this state �?by acting criminally and by jeopardizing their safety, lives, or property.

The Paranoid Schizoid Solution

Another class of abuser develop persecutory delusions. He perceives slights and insults where none were intended. He becomes subject to ideas of reference (people are gossiping about him, mocking him, prying into his affairs, cracking his e-mail, etc.). He is convinced that he is the centre of malign and mal-intentioned attention. People are conspiring to humiliate him, punish him, abscond with his property, delude him, impoverish him, confine him physically or intellectually, censor him, impose on his time, force him to action (or to inaction), frighten him, coerce him, surround and besiege him, change his mind, part with his values, victimize or even murder him, and so on.

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Some abusers withdraw completely from a world populated with such minacious and ominous objects (really projections of internal objects and processes). They avoid all social contact, except the most necessary. They refrain from meeting people, falling in love, having sex, talking to others, or even corresponding with them. In short: they become schizoids �?not out of social shyness, but out of what they feel to be their choice. "This evil, hopeless world does not deserve me" �?goes the inner refrain �?"and I shall waste none of my time and resources on it."

The Paranoid Aggressive (Explosive) Solution

Other abusers who develop persecutory delusions, resort to an aggressive stance, a more violent resolution of their internal conflict. They become verbally, psychologically, situationally (and, more rarely, physically) abusive. They insult, castigate, chastise, berate, demean, and deride their nearest and dearest (often well wishers and loved ones). They explode in unprovoked displays of indignation, righteousness, condemnation, and blame. Theirs is an exegetic Bedlam. They interpret everything �?even the most innocuous, inadvertent, and innocent comment �?as designed to provoke and humiliate them. They sow fear, revulsion, hate, and malignant envy. They flail against the windmills of reality �?a pathetic, forlorn, sight. But often they cause real and lasting damage �?fortunately, mainly to themselves.

Additional Reading

Millon, Theodore and Davis, Roger �?Personality Disorders in Modern Life, 2nd Edition �?New York, John Wiley and Sons, 2000

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