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From: Amani  (Original Message)Sent: 27/10/2008 2:02 a.m.
I am not sure if this the following is an example of gaslighting.. but I think its stupid none the less.
 
I have been separated from the STBXNH for about 2 months... no contact for about a month.  Before I moved out, I had ripped up a large picture (14x20) of us.  He found that picture and put it in a bag - when he came to talk to me he told me that me and him were going to tape it back together.  That conversation didnt end well.  My car is ALWAYS parked in the garage but he can get to it when I am at work as we work 5 mins away from each other.  This friday I was getting gas and decided to check the oil.  I noticed a small, odd shaped piece of paper under on of the wipers when I opened the hood.  Turns out, it is a piece of that picture that I had ripped up more than a month ago, and the piece is exactly of only his face.  How f**ked up is that??
 
So, I am pretty certain he did this on friday, as I drive pretty fast for a long distance everyday, so it would have been blown away easily, and it had been raining the days before.  The picture had no water damage and was not worn in any way.
 
What a freak!


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From: XtraMSN Nicknamenerlami1Sent: 27/10/2008 2:21 a.m.
thats creepy as heck. ewww

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From: XtraMSN NicknameatemporarynameSent: 27/10/2008 3:38 a.m.
Amani,
I'm so with nerlami on this one! Creepy as all get out! This behaviour you need to nip in the bud before it escalates. Seriously. Lock your garage and your car. If your garage is attached or a whole seperate building he had to enter, I'd file a police report for unlawful entry. He had no business being in your garage, unless you are talking about a parking garage for an office or apt. Start getting this stuff on record now. If you have an atty, notify him. This is seriously NOT normal behaviour and in many ways is at least a pre-cursor of stalking. When it comes to stalking it's vital that you take it seriously, right away, don't wait for it to get worse.
Oh, and you said it (the pic) was under your hood.. If I knew myxn had been under the hood of my truck I would flip out.
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I usually don't talk about this because I can't prove it, but..
Actually, he has been (under my truck's hood), and I did (flip out when I realized it). I can't prove it 100% or he'd be in jail. My oil was drained almost empty along with other fluids. Be sure you have all your levels checked, etc. (The reason he had access was because I took my son for a visitation and stayed in the area. He knew right where I was.) It's a 100 mile trip one way. I am very fortunate my son and I made it back home. He woulda just loved for my vehicle to have broken down. He assumed I would have had to call him for help. (He is wrong about that, btw..) Oh, and I know something happened because I do a pre-trip check anytime I travel long distances like that. I had that time as well...
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These guys, they aren't right in the head. Has your xn ever done anything this off before?? From what I've read on the board, the longer and more successfully you stay NC from them (or as close to it as possible, like I am trying to do..) the more desperate they get and the more off their behaviour becomes. That is definitely my experience, also. Actually, let me change what I said about locking your garage and car, etc. Lock them, but go get new locks for everything as soon as you possibly can. Be sure that your house windows are locked, and preferably secured by a piece of board as well so that even if someone were to break the glass they couldn't just push the frame up from there. Always be alert to your surrounding. Be prepared for the unexpected.
I sincerely hope your xn doesn't continue this behaviour. I will hope and pray for the best for you. But at the same time, he might continue, so please be careful. Start thinking of options and ways to keep yourself safe. Always have a cell phone with you, even in your house, for a while.. a pre-paid Alltell costs $14.96 here at Walmart. (I LOVE Alltell!!) They might be a bit more elsewhere, but thats not a lot. Also remember that even a cell phone with no service can dial 911 just so long as it's battery is charged. It doesn't have to have 'service' at all. I keep several old cell's in different rooms in my house. I'm sure hoping you don't need to do anything like this. But I'm also hoping you will do some of this stuff anyway, just in case.
good luck and God Bless, let us know how things are going...
~atemporaryname
p.s. It's not my goal to scare you or to seem super paranoid (though I know I am paranoid, been diagnosed that way) ..Just concerned for your safety.
~a

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From: XtraMSN NicknameBrendaD0Sent: 27/10/2008 4:42 a.m.
Amani,
    Sorry to hear you are experiencing this. I feel that gaslighting is the worst form of psychological abuse. It definitely sounds like it. If you feel you have been gaslighted you are your best judge. The problem is it makes us feel like the crazy ones. I just read a great book on this topic called The Gaslight Effect by Robin Stern. It is very educational and helped me to see how I've been gaslighted by many people throughout my life.
Trust your instincts and take care of you,
Brenda
xx

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From: purplelizziSent: 27/10/2008 9:41 a.m.
I had to laugh when I read your post as that is exactly the sort of thing mine would do too. He uses my car to communicate with me as he knows I will see whatever it is he does and because he always does things when it is parked in the street (i.e. a public place) I can't claim that he is trespassing on my property or whatever.
 
Sometimes he writes in the dirt on the windows 'I love you xxx' that sort of childish nonsense. One day he actually wrote in marker pen on the door mirror 'I will love you forever' which I didn't notcie til I was halfway down the motorway - it gave me the shock of my life.
 
The last thing he did was wedge papers relating to his divorce in the window. I am sure he would have no hesitation in doing the photo thing if he actually had the brains to think of it although to my knowledge there are only a couple of pictures of him and I together and I have them, he was never interested in having a picture of me in the 6 years we were together, funny that.
 
You are right, they are freaks, all of them....
 
purple x

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From: Freebird13Sent: 27/10/2008 12:27 p.m.
Exactly what is gaslighting?  I have run across it a few times in my reading but not a whole lot.  I will look it up as well but ]just thought you guys could share also
 
From the example here it appears that they mess with your mind on a psychological level.  I had a personalized plate on teh front of my car with our names on it and I took it off and he knows that (he claimes he knows everything~imagine that) well he started asking if he could have the plate as he really wanted to keep it for sentimental reasons,  this guy keeps everythign for sentimental reasons which I always thought was kind of weird for a guy but I read somewhere about that to..........you know with us being toasters and cakes and all! LOL!
 
Well he then sent me a message stating that he knows him having the plate is out of the question since he knows I took it off in a fit of anger/hate and bent it up and threw it away...........that was a hard one not to respond to.  He only wishes that I still had that kind of time and energy for that kind of feeling for him!
 
Anyway just curious about gaslighting and some examples to I can
'be on teh lookout'

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From: XtraMSN NicknameHappyitsoverSent: 28/10/2008 5:05 a.m.
I read someone's blog about gaslighting.  Look on wordpress. 
Gaslighting - A Narcissist's Game. 

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamerayannegraff2Sent: 28/10/2008 6:10 a.m.
I apologize, but what is gaslighting??

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamegoingnorth2Sent: 28/10/2008 12:29 p.m.
Amani, 
 
I am ashamed of you! 
 
If you're old enough to be here at this site, you're too darned old to be dating a 9 year old! 
 
Gloria
(Write this experience down someplace where you can recall it in about 20 years.  You're going to laugh!) 
 
 
 
 

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 28/10/2008 7:02 p.m.

Ambient Abuse and Gaslighting

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Ambient abuse is the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves, until it is too late. Ambient abuse penetrates and permeates everything �?/FONT> but is difficult to pinpoint and identify. It is ambiguous, atmospheric, diffuse. Hence its insidious and pernicious effects. It is by far the most dangerous kind of abuse there is.

It is the outcome of fear �?/FONT> fear of violence, fear of the unknown, fear of the unpredictable, the capricious, and the arbitrary. It is perpetrated by dropping subtle hints, by disorienting, by constant �?/FONT> and unnecessary �?/FONT> lying, by persistent doubting and demeaning, and by inspiring an air of unmitigated gloom and doom ("gaslighting").

Ambient abuse, therefore, is the fostering, propagation, and enhancement of an atmosphere of fear, intimidation, instability, unpredictability and irritation. There are no acts of traceable explicit abuse, nor any manipulative settings of control. Yet, the irksome feeling remains, a disagreeable foreboding, a premonition, a bad omen.

In the long term, such an environment erodes the victim's sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Self-confidence is shaken badly. Often, the victim adopts a paranoid or schizoid stance and thus renders himself or herself exposed even more to criticism and judgment. The roles are thus reversed: the victim is considered mentally deranged and the abuser �?/FONT> the suffering soul.

There are five categories of ambient abuse and they are often combined in the conduct of a single abuser:

I. Inducing Disorientation

The abuser causes the victim to lose faith in her ability to manage and to cope with the world and its demands. She no longer trusts her senses, her skills, her strengths, her friends, her family, and the predictability and benevolence of her environment.

The abuser subverts the target's focus by disagreeing with her way of perceiving the world, her judgment, the facts of her existence, by criticizing her incessantly �?/FONT> and by offering plausible but specious alternatives. By constantly lying, he blurs the line between reality and nightmare.

By recurrently disapproving of her choices and actions �?/FONT> the abuser shreds the victim's self-confidence and shatters her self-esteem. By reacting disproportionately to the slightest "mistake" �?/FONT> he intimidates her to the point of paralysis.

II. Incapacitating

The abuser gradually and surreptitiously takes over functions and chores previously adequately and skilfully performed by the victim. The prey finds itself isolated from the outer world, a hostage to the goodwill �?/FONT> or, more often, ill-will �?/FONT> of her captor. She is crippled by his encroachment and by the inexorable dissolution of her boundaries and ends up totally dependent on her tormentor's whims and desires, plans and stratagems.

Moreover, the abuser engineers impossible, dangerous, unpredictable, unprecedented, or highly specific situations in which he is sorely needed. The abuser makes sure that his knowledge, his skills, his connections, or his traits are the only ones applicable and the most useful in the situations that he, himself, wrought. The abuser generates his own indispensability.

III. Shared Psychosis (folie a deux)

The abuser creates a fantasy world, inhabited by the victim and himself, and besieged by imaginary enemies. He allocates to the abused the role of defending this invented and unreal Universe. She must swear to secrecy, stand by her abuser no matter what, lie, fight, pretend, obfuscate and do whatever else it takes to preserve this oasis of inanity.

Her membership in the abuser's "kingdom" is cast as a privilege and a prize. But it is not to be taken for granted. She has to work hard to earn her continued affiliation. She is constantly being tested and evaluated. Inevitably, this interminable stress reduces the victim's resistance and her ability to "see straight".

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IV. Abuse of Information

From the first moments of an encounter with another person, the abuser is on the prowl. He collects information. The more he knows about his potential victim �?/FONT> the better able he is to coerce, manipulate, charm, extort or convert it "to the cause". The abuser does not hesitate to misuse the information he gleans, regardless of its intimate nature or the circumstances in which he obtained it. This is a powerful tool in his armory.

V. Control by Proxy

If all else fails, the abuser recruits friends, colleagues, mates, family members, the authorities, institutions, neighbours, the media, teachers ï¿½?/FONT> in short, third parties �?/FONT> to do his bidding. He uses them to cajole, coerce, threaten, stalk, offer, retreat, tempt, convince, harass, communicate and otherwise manipulate his target. He controls these unaware instruments exactly as he plans to control his ultimate prey. He employs the same mechanisms and devices. And he dumps his props unceremoniously when the job is done.

Another form of control by proxy is to engineer situations in which abuse is inflicted upon another person. Such carefully crafted scenarios of embarrassment and humiliation provoke social sanctions (condemnation, opprobrium, or even physical punishment) against the victim. Society, or a social group become the instruments of the abuser.

This is the subject of the next article.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamebumpy_rider2Sent: 29/10/2008 5:51 a.m.
Imagine....grown men, running around acting pulling stupid crap like that!

When I tried to tell people he was messing with my car, nobody would believe me....just gave me that blank stare like they felt really sorry for the xN because *I* was obviously a nut job! Geez......what a bunch of putzs.


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From: XtraMSN NicknamecctxoldladySent: 29/10/2008 1:13 p.m.
my XNH would hide some of my clothes and when I'd be looking for them and couldn't find a certain article of clothing, he'd just say "well it's got to be in there somewhere,you're just overlooking it."  I would go crazy looking through every single article of clothing in my closet and "it" wasn't there.  A day later, there it would be.  I really thought I was going crazy.  I know he was sitting back laughing inside.
He did some other things as well to make me think a certain thing was going on when it actually wasn't.  I look back and I know who the crazy one really was.  He'll continue to do that to his next victim(s).  What a waste of breathing space they are.

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From: AmaniSent: 29/10/2008 5:49 p.m.
It never ceases to amaze me how similar these Ns are.  I am currently on a internship that ends in December, so after that he will not know where to find my car.  Thank god.

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