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From: XtraMSN NicknameInArrestedDevelopment  (Original Message)Sent: 12/02/2008 2:25 p.m.
to anyone with a n for a dad
please help i dont know how to not let him hurt me. how can i not be emotionaly invested in my dad?
carrie


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From: XtraMSN NicknameCassiopia662Sent: 12/02/2008 11:04 p.m.
Hello Carrie
 
I so wish, I had the answer for you, as can hear your pain here, only you can get the answers to this........the best way to work this out is with a therapist, do you have support around you?? support, and awareness of this disorder, will help alot, also, removing yourself from his abuse, by way of NC, if that feels to scary, think of it, as giving yourself a break whilst you find your answers.......xx

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From: XtraMSN NicknameInArrestedDevelopmentSent: 13/02/2008 12:16 a.m.
cassiopia
thanks for the messages
the strange thing about me is im very friendly and talkitive. i like to be with people and i have many acquaintances but no close friends. there comes a piont in my relations with people that i just shut down. i just cant trust
carrie

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamesketchit311Sent: 13/02/2008 7:40 a.m.
I can relate to that, I wonder if it's like that for all children of N's, I think we are conditioned to feel that every relationship is going to end in hurt and unreciprocated feelings so we bail out early or stay but never seem to be able to fully trust or open up.
I found in my experiance that NC was definatly the way to go with my N mother, it's so hard to heal and work through what's going on when you have a constant bombardment of abuse. Although in my situation the cut off wasn't completely my choice, I told my mother I was no longer going to play games and realised we needed councelling if our relationship was going to work and told her to ring me if she was willing and we could arrange a councellour of her choice, that was over a year ago and I haven't heard back so I assume that means she isn't willing to go through with the councelling, and I'm not willing to continue our relationship as it was.

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From: XtraMSN NicknameCassiopia662Sent: 13/02/2008 8:08 a.m.
InArrested
 
I could have written exactly what you just said, am going through this at the moment, due probably to being post N..........
 
Have had to stop so called friendships, as they were not healthy, so ended up with none, and in the last 6 months or so, have been making new friends, and a few of them, if they so much as look at me in a toxic way, I shut off..........but, still remain friendly, just kindof back off and go distant..........I am very wary of getting close to anyone............as just want good healthy people around me at the moment, healthy people, are without a doubt the best people for myself to be around, as I feel relaxed, and not threatened, if that makes any sense.
 
Glad you brought this up.........am going to mention it to a therapist........xx

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 13/02/2008 5:55 p.m.
Hi Inarrested.
 
Have you heard of the word 'no'?
 
Why do you allow him to have contact with you?
 
Boundaries, boundaries

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From: XtraMSN Nicknametired_at_40Sent: 17/02/2008 1:34 a.m.
Hi Carrie,
I've found that they way to helping yourself "barricade" yourself against the N-father is to see a therapist, a good one you like, this may take awhile and to read up on NPD.
Once I started reading about what my father was, although he does still occaisonally still manage to hurt me, the times he can has very much dwindled.  When he says crazy hurtful things, I say to myself, you are so an N and let it roll off me.  I did find some help in the book "Children of the Self-Absorbed."  The book very much explained what I was and what he clearly was.  and finally, like all others say, you need to have as little contact  as you can.  I live with mine, but mostly he lives in the basement, I live upstairs in the master bedroom.  not a situation many would say is good, but there it is.
Also, when you do have contact, you do need to set boundries.  If something he says or does really distresses you, you need to cut him off at the knees.  That  you will not tolerate/discuss whatever really bothers you.  that's my 2 cents, hope it helps.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamegretch104Sent: 30/03/2008 6:57 p.m.
Dear Carrie:
I have a N father and an enabling mother. How are you doing?
More than anything i want to give you all the strength one person can offer another. I would love to talk with you about anything and everything. Not only do I have the same-ish situation, but I have an endless capacity for theorizing.

I understand completely what you mean about having all this energy, and love for people, but when it comes down to it, no one actually knows the 'real' you. Not even those who 'should', because you find that you can't trust them to get that close. So even your closest don't know you, and in a way you don't know even yourself- or rather your own boundaries.


Actually it is very difficult for kids of Narcissists to fully understand what has happened to them, or anything that way. Kids who have been indoctrinated into the craziness of these weirdos have a very hard time separating good and bad actions from themselves as a person. So i totally understand the feeling of "but he's my dad!" cause you want to have a dad, and in all reality your father is not an all bad person.
Most people who recognize narcissists for what they are have been raised shall we say "outside of the faith". Usually those who had bad relationships. Imagine the pain or whatever of those people feel and times that by your entire existence, from infancy someone has been telling you that you do not have a right to feel your own feelings. So believe me, you are already miles ahead of many many kids of N's.

I would really really love to talk with you. I feel that perhaps we can really help each other.

I have the same thing with shutting down. It's like my brain shuts off when there are too many conflicting or intense emotions, or when someone gets too close... I almost feel more comfortable with strangers than those I hold close.

One theory of this is that the enmeshment of the feelings of the family is so high (you always scrambling to cover their feelings and them "taking care" of your feelings) that when people get close to you it feels like a form of emotional incest. Those feelings that normally are yours to give and feel and own, are taken away from you (every moment of your entire life!) until you are suddenly around others, and you feel the same ickiness that comes with the association of your father (who you have a hard time feeling what you feel about him because you either completely have to villianize him in your mind, or completely love him -in an unhealthy way.) So basically it's like having sex with someone when you were raped from infancy. Sex isn't bad, it's very good when shared appropriately, but terribly invasive if not shared or when you feel it's not yours to give.
These are some of the theories and insights I have come to realize.
You need to understand everything you possibly can, to start to cope with your normal emotions that you deep down have been indoctrinated to disbelieve and suppress and ignore and so on and so forth.- to be allowed some time away from your own perfectionism.

Please feel free to PM me, I would really love to talk with you.
Gretch

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From: XtraMSN NicknameHeartToWorshipSent: 6/04/2008 11:36 p.m.
That's a tough one. My dad is an N and for several years now I've tried to find that answer. I even broke communication with him for several months, then wrote a lettler. But no response. He is never wrong of course, it's the other person who opposes him who is wrong. Everytime I had something to discuss with him he would compete with me rather than accept the fact that he offended me. It was always my fault, claimed my feelings were too sensitive. I know better than that since I'm emotionally strong.

I would say that there will never be a day when you will not be offended or irritated by an N, especially if it's your father.

You have to make your own choice what to do. The statistics show that most break off communication. I'm not telling you that you should do that, just stating facts. You know your own situation better than anyone here does.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamekatv7Sent: 16/05/2008 3:43 a.m.
Carrie,
    It has taken me some time to come to terms with having a N for a father. It is not easy... Therapy did help a lot. I did things and got involved in things that helped me to feel good about me. It gave me the strength to stick up for myself and set boundries... The boundries are hard, N's hate and I mean hate boundries. I won't lie, sticking up for yourself will cause riffs and arguments but this is your life. Live it happily and the way you want it. People don't know what they don't know. It has helped me to remeber that my N dad can't help himself he is so out of control himself. Your dad's behavior has nothing to do with you as a person. Be strong!

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From: XtraMSN NicknamekyrajamesSent: 26/05/2008 4:23 p.m.
 If you are not at the age where you are no longer financially dependent on him and you still live with him, you can still kind of NC him. Only speak to him if you have to, stay away from him as much as possible and if he tries to pick a fight or says something nasty, cover your ears and walk out. It will really annoy him, but if he baits you, walk away, don't take it. Then, when you are old enough, NC him. The hardest thing is that people like your dad and mine is that they make you believe that when you are young, you have no choice. They can give you all the crap they want and you are expected to take it. Well, speaking from experience- it doesn't matter how young you are you DON'T have to take it. The sad thing is that you probably won't be free of him until you are 18 (or as an abuser does- he'll try and hang on until your twenties) but stay strong and try to cut off emotionally from him as much as possible, so that when you can finally NC him, it won't be quite so hard. Remember, it's not your fault, your not a bad daughter, your not a disappointment. He has been a bad father, and you are emotionally cut off from him because of all the pain he put you through. Blood means nothing. I lost a whole family that was blood through him and they never cared. I'm living with my adoptive mum and my sister and I've never been happier. You have the power to make your own family. And if you don't want him it, so be it. Good luck, my darling. I hope it gets better for you. Kyra xxxxxx

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