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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·  (Original Message)Sent: 23/02/2004 5:09 a.m.
Sam, Here is a bit of my life for the last year.
The stalking and harassing started in March 03.  My life has had to change in many ways.  I have been consumed by the fear of what the N will do next.  I fear for my safety, my son's safety, and my family's safety.  The person I was is no longer.  I now have to plan out everything to have myself protected from N.  Emotionally this has been the most draining experience I have ever had.  The last year has changed my carefree way of life to one of paranoia and fear.
 
I have had damage to my property and so has my family.  I have invested in security systems to protect my property.  My brother has had property damage also.  N and my brother were good friends (we all thought) before N and I broke up ( I dated him for a year.)  The day the court ordered a stalking order against my N, my N told my brother "this is between you and me now bud and you're mine" (my brother went with me for the order).  That very night the N cut my phone line at my business and damaged my brothers air conditioner at his wife's business.  My brother and I live in different towns about 15 minutes from each other.  My N lives in the town my brother lives in.  I have also had acid thrown on the windows at work and my car has been keyed among other things. 
The psychological trauma of the last year is more than a person can understand without experiencing it yourself.  It is like a continual rape day after day.  I have had to change my life.  It's always in my mind.  What is going to be damaged next?  What can I do to prevent it?  When will it stop?
 
I am set to go to court the first of March.  The state filed charges against the N.  The charges are only misdemeanors, 3 counts of harassment.  I have read your book Malignant Self Love.  I learned so much from it.  I have read your advise on going to court with a N. 
 
 My question is HOW CAN I GET THE DA TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST? 
 
 I know how slick the N is.  If I could tell the truth as good as he can lie!  I feel if I can't get them to listen to me from the beginning of this trial as to how he will lie and make up anything as he goes I really won't have a chance of winning.  The DA is going to have to be sharp to go up against the N.  He is a veteran criminal.  He has also served 2 different times in prison. 
It took me several months to get the police to understand what I was dealing with and they knew his record!  I need the DA to listen and understand what a N is like if that is possible.  
Thank you for help. 


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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 23/02/2004 4:17 p.m.
Dear Ethel,
 
I wish I had encouraging things to say to you - but, alas, I do not.
 
The very diagnostic concept of personality disorders is relatively new. The damage these people inflict on their nearest and dearest is not fully and properly documented.

It is telling that precious few psychology and psychopathology textbooks dedicate an entire chapter to abuse and violence. Even the most egregious manifestations �?/SPAN> such as child sexual abuse �?/SPAN> merit a fleeting mention, usually as a sub-chapter in a larger section dedicated to paraphilias or personality disorders.

Abusive behavior did not make it into the diagnostic criteria of mental health disorders, nor were its psychodynamic, cultural and social roots explored in depth. As a result of this deficient education and lacking awareness, most law enforcement officers, judges, counselors, guardians, and mediators are worryingly ignorant about the phenomenon.

Only 4% of hospital emergency room admissions of women in the United States are attributed by staff to domestic violence. The true figure, according to the FBI, is more like 50%. One in three murdered women was done in by her spouse, current or former.

The US Department of Justice pegs the number of spouses (mostly women) threatened with a deadly weapon at almost 2 million annually. Domestic violence erupts in a mind-boggling half of all American homes at least once a year. Nor are these isolated, "out of the blue", incidents.

Mistreatment and violence are part of an enduring pattern of maladaptive behavior within the relationship and are sometimes coupled with substance abuse. Abusers are possessive, pathologically jealous, dependent, and, often, narcissistic. Invariably, both the abuser and his victim seek to conceal the abusive episodes and their aftermath from family, friends, neighbors, or colleagues.

This dismal state of things is an abuser's and stalker's paradise. This is especially true with psychological (verbal and emotional) abuse which leaves no visible marks and renders the victim incapable of coherence.

Still, there is no "typical" offender. Maltreatment crosses racial, cultural, social, and economic lines. This is because, until very recently, abuse has constituted normative, socially-acceptable, and, sometimes, condoned, behavior. For the bulk of human history, women and children were considered no better than property.

Indeed, well into the 18th century, they still made it into lists of assets and liabilities of the household. Early legislation in America �?/SPAN> fashioned after European law, both Anglo-Saxon and Continental �?/SPAN> permitted wife battering for the purpose of behavior modification. The circumference of the stick used, specified the statute, should not exceed that of the husband's thumb.

Inevitably, many victims blame themselves for the dismal state of affairs. The abused party may have low self-esteem, a fluctuating sense of self-worth, primitive defense mechanisms, phobias, mental health problems, a disability, a history of failure, or a tendency to blame herself, or to feel inadequate (autoplastic neurosis).

She may have come from an abusive family or environment �?/SPAN> which conditioned her to expect abuse as inevitable and "normal". In extreme and rare cases �?/SPAN> the victim is a masochist, possessed of an urge to seek ill-treatment and pain. Gradually, the victims convert these unhealthy emotions and their learned helplessness in the face of persistent "gaslighting" into psychosomatic symptoms, anxiety and panic attacks, depression, or, in extremis, suicidal ideation and gestures.

From the Narcissistic Personality Disorders list �?/SPAN> excerpt from my book "Toxic Relationships �?/SPAN> Abuse and its Aftermath" (forthcoming, 2004):

Therapists, marriage counselors, mediators, court-appointed guardians, police officers, and judges are human. Some of them are social reactionaries, others are narcissists, and a few are themselves spouse abusers. Many things work against the victim facing the justice system and the psychological profession.

Start with denial. Abuse is such a horrid phenomenon that society and its delegates often choose to ignore it or to convert it into a more benign manifestation, typically by pathologizing the situation or the victim �?/SPAN> rather than the perpetrator.

A man's home is still his castle and the authorities are loath to intrude.

Most abusers are men and most victims are women. Even the most advanced communities in the world are largely patriarchal. Misogynistic gender stereotypes, superstitions, and prejudices are strong.

Therapists are not immune to these ubiquitous and age-old influences and biases.

They are amenable to the considerable charm, persuasiveness, and manipulativeness of the abuser and to his impressive thespian skills. The abuser offers a plausible rendition of the events and interprets them to his favor. The therapist rarely has a chance to witness an abusive exchange first hand and at close quarters. In contrast, the abused are often on the verge of a nervous breakdown: harassed, unkempt, irritable, impatient, abrasive, and hysterical.

Confronted with this contrast between a polished, self-controlled, and suave abuser and his harried casualties �?/SPAN> it is easy to reach the conclusion that the real victim is the abuser, or that both parties abuse each other equally. The prey's acts of self-defense, assertiveness, or insistence on her rights are interpreted as aggression, lability, or a mental health problem.

The profession's propensity to pathologize extends to the wrongdoers as well. Alas, few therapists are equipped to do proper clinical work, including diagnosis.

Abusers are thought by practitioners of psychology to be emotionally disturbed, the twisted outcomes of a history of familial violence and childhood traumas. They are typically diagnosed as suffering from a personality disorder, an inordinately low self-esteem, or codependence coupled with an all-devouring fear of abandonment. Consummate abusers use the right vocabulary and feign the appropriate "emotions" and affect and, thus, sway the evaluator's judgment.

But while the victim's "pathology" works against her �?/SPAN> especially in custody battles �?/SPAN> the culprit's "illness" works for him, as a mitigating circumstance, especially in criminal proceedings. 

In his seminal essay, "Understanding the Batterer in Visitation and Custody Disputes", Lundy Bancroft sums up the asymmetry in favor of the offender:

"Batterers ...  adopt the role of a hurt, sensitive man who doesn't understand how things got so bad and just wants to work it all out 'for the good of the children.' He may cry ... and use language that demonstrates considerable insight into his own feelings. He is likely to be skilled at explaining how other people have turned the victim against him, and how she is denying him access to the children as a form of revenge ... He commonly accuses her of having mental health problems, and may state that her family and friends agree with him ...  that she is hysterical and that she is promiscuous. The abuser tends to be comfortable lying, having years of practice, and so can sound believable when making baseless statements. The abuser benefits ... when professionals believe that they can "just tell" who is lying and who is telling the truth, and so fail to adequately investigate.

Because of the effects of trauma, the victim of battering will often seem hostile, disjointed, and agitated, while the abuser appears friendly, articulate, and calm. Evaluators are thus tempted to conclude that the victim is the source of the problems in the relationship."

There is little the victim can do to "educate" the therapist or "prove" to him who is the guilty party. Mental health professionals are as ego-centered as the next person. They are emotionally invested in opinions they form or in their interpretation of the abusive relationship. They perceive every disagreement as a challenge to their authority and are likely to pathologize such behavior, labeling it "resistance" (or worse).

In the process of mediation, marital therapy, or evaluation, counselors frequently propose various techniques to ameliorate the abuse or bring it under control. Woe betides the party that dares object or turn these "recommendations" down. Thus, an abuse victim who declines to have any further contact with her batterer �?/SPAN> is bound to be chastised by her therapist for obstinately refusing to constructively communicate with her violent spouse.

Better to play ball and adopt the sleek mannerisms of your abuser. Sadly, sometimes the only way to convince your therapist that it is not all in your head and that you are a victim �?/SPAN> is by being insincere and by staging a well-calibrated performance, replete with the correct vocabulary. Therapists have Pavlovian reactions to certain phrases and theories and to certain "presenting signs and symptoms" (behaviors during the first few sessions). Learn these �?/SPAN> and use them to your advantage. It is your only chance.

In the process of mediation, marital therapy, or evaluation, counselors frequently propose various techniques to ameliorate the abuse or bring it under control. Woe betides the party that dares object or turn these "recommendations" down. Thus, an abuse victim who declines to have any further contact with her batterer �?/SPAN> is bound to be chastised by her therapist for obstinately refusing to constructively communicate with her violent spouse.

Better to play ball and adopt the sleek mannerisms of your abuser. Sadly, sometimes the only way to convince your therapist that it is not all in your head and that you are a victim �?/SPAN> is by being insincere and by staging a well-calibrated performance, replete with the correct vocabulary. Therapists have Pavlovian reactions to certain phrases and theories and to certain "presenting signs and symptoms" (behaviors during the first few sessions). Learn these �?/SPAN> and use them to your advantage. It is your only chance.

I described in "The Guilt of the Abused - Pathologizing the Victim" how the system is biased and titled against the victim.

Regrettably, mental health professionals and practitioners ï¿½?/SPAN> marital and couple therapists, counselors �?/SPAN> are conditioned, by years of indoctrinating and dogmatic education, to respond favorably to specific verbal cues.

The paradigm is that abuse is rarely one sided �?/SPAN> in other words, that it is invariably "triggered" either by the victim or by the mental health problems of the abuser. Another common lie is that all mental health problems can be successfully treated one way (talk therapy) or another (medication).

This shifts the responsibility from the offender to his prey. The abused must have done something to bring about their own maltreatment  �?/SPAN> or simply were emotionally "unavailable" to help the abuser with his problems. Healing is guaranteed if only the victim were willing to participate in a treatment plan and communicate with the abuser. So goes the orthodoxy.

Refusal to do so �?/SPAN> in other words, refusal to risk further abuse �?/SPAN> is harshly judged by the therapist. The victim is labeled uncooperative, resistant, or even abusive!

The key is, therefore, feigned acquiescence and collaboration with the therapist's scheme, acceptance of his/her interpretation of the events, and the use of key phrases such as: "I wish to communicate/work with (the abuser)", "trauma", "relationship", "healing process", "inner child", "the good of the children", "the importance of fathering", "significant other" and other psycho-babble. Learn the jargon, use it intelligently and you are bound to win the therapist's sympathy.

Above all �?/SPAN> do not be assertive, or aggressive and do not overtly criticize the therapist or disagree with him/her.

I make the therapist sound like yet another potential abuser �?/SPAN> because in many cases, he/she becomes one as they inadvertently collude with the abuser, invalidate the abuse experiences, and pathologize the victim.

Phrases to Use

  • "For the children's sake ..."

  • "I want to maintain constructive communications with my husband/wife..."

  • "The children need the ongoing presence of (the other parent) ..."

  • "I wish to communicate/work with (the abuser) on our issues"

  • "I wish to understand our relationship, help both sides achieve closure and get on with their lives/my life"

  • "Healing process"

Things to Do

  • Attend every session diligently. Never be late. Try not to cancel or reschedule meetings.

  • Pay attention to your attire and makeup. Project a solid, conservative image. Do not make a disheveled and disjointed appearance.

  • Never argue with the counselor or the evaluator or criticize them openly. If you have to disagree with him or her - do so elliptically and dispassionately.

  • Agree to participate in a long-term treatment plan.

  • Communicate with your abuser politely and reasonably. Do not let yourself get provoked! Do not throw temper tantrums or threaten anyone, not even indirectly! Restrain your hostility. Talk calmly and articulately. Count to ten or take a break, if you must.

  • Repeatedly emphasize that the welfare and well-being of your children is uppermost in your mind - over and above any other (selfish) desire or consideration.

Maintain Your Boundaries

  • Be sure to maintain as much contact with your abuser as the courts, counselors, mediators, guardians, or law enforcement officials mandate.
  • Do NOT contravene the decisions of the system. Work from the inside to change judgments, evaluations, or rulings �?/SPAN> but NEVER rebel against them or ignore them. You will only turn the system against you and your interests.
  • But with the exception of the minimum mandated by the courts �?/SPAN> decline any and all gratuitous contact with the narcissist.
  • Do not respond to his pleading, romantic, nostalgic, flattering, or threatening e-mail messages.
  • Return all gifts he sends you.
  • Refuse him entry to your premises. Do not even respond to the intercom.
  • Do not talk to him on the phone. Hang up the minute you hear his voice while making clear to him, in a single, polite but firm, sentence, that you are determined not to talk to him.
  • Do not answer his letters.
  • Do not visit him on special occasions, or in emergencies.
  • Do not respond to questions, requests, or pleas forwarded to you through third parties.
  • Disconnect from third parties whom you know are spying on you at his behest.
  • Do not discuss him with your children.
  • Do not gossip about him.
  • Do not ask him for anything, even if you are in dire need.
  • When you are forced to meet him, do not discuss your personal affairs �?/SPAN> or his.
  • Relegate any inevitable contact with him �?/SPAN> when and where possible �?/SPAN> to professionals: your lawyer, or your accountant.

A lot more practical advise in these two series of articles:

 
 
And here:
 

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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 24/02/2004 3:52 a.m.
Sam,
I became a Christian a few months before I became involved with my N.  He started attending church with me after we had been together a few months.  He used the bible when he felt our relationship was on shaky ground.  This way he would patch things up by getting me to realize  "I wasn't acting in a Christian manner".  This was his was of controlling me and manipulating me. 
I feel he really wanted to have a better way of life.  I feel he really wanted to have  inner peace.  He told our Sunday School class that is what attracted him to me.  The inner peace I had. 
I know that the dark can't stand the light.  That the dark will run from the light.  Evil will hide from the righteous.
My question is, What if outside my business he was able to read a saying something to the effects of  "He Loves You" or "He sees all"? 
I feel he would not like to read this.  My hope for putting the sigh up would be, he would chose another route.  That he would not want to deal with his inner voice convicting him.  He has to go out of his way to drive by my business. 

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 24/02/2004 12:24 p.m.
Hi, Ethel,
 
I am afraid I do not understand the question.
 
If you are referring to religion as a cure to narcissism - you may wish to read this:
 

God is everything the narcissist ever wants to be: omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, admired, much discussed, and awe inspiring. God is the narcissist's wet dream, his ultimate grandiose fantasy. But God comes handy in other ways as well.

The narcissist alternately idealizes and devalues figures of authority.

In the idealization phase, he strives to emulate them, he admires them, imitate them (often ludicrously), and defends them. They cannot go wrong, or be wrong. The narcissist regards them as bigger than life, infallible, perfect, whole, and brilliant. But as the narcissist's unrealistic and inflated expectations are inevitably frustrated, he begins to devalue his former idols.

Now they are "human" (to the narcissist, a derogatory term). They are small, fragile, error-prone, pusillanimous, mean, dumb, and mediocre. The narcissist goes through the same cycle in his relationship with God, the quintessential authority figure.

But often, even when disillusionment and iconoclastic despair have set in - the narcissist continues to pretend to love God and follow Him. The narcissist maintains this deception because his continued proximity to God confers on him authority. Priests, leaders of the congregation, preachers, evangelists, cultists, politicians, intellectuals - all derive authority from their allegedly privileged relationship with God.

Religious authority allows the narcissist to indulge his sadistic urges and to exercise his misogynism freely and openly. Such a narcissist is likely to taunt and torment his followers, hector and chastise them, humiliate and berate them, abuse them spiritually, or even sexually. The narcissist whose source of authority is religious is looking for obedient and unquestioning slaves upon whom to exercise his capricious and wicked mastery. The narcissist transforms even the most innocuous and pure religious sentiments into a cultish ritual and a virulent hierarchy. He prays on the gullible. His flock become his hostages.

Religious authority also secures the narcissist's narcissistic supply. His coreligionists, members of his congregation, his parish, his constituency, his audience - are transformed into loyal and stable sources of narcissistic supply. They obey his commands, heed his admonitions, follow his creed, admire his personality, applaud his personal traits, satisfy his needs (sometimes even his carnal desires), revere and idolize him.

Moreover, being a part of a "bigger thing" is very gratifying narcissistically. Being a particle of God, being immersed in His grandeur, experiencing His power and blessings first hand, communing with him - are all sources of unending narcissistic supply. The narcissist becomes God by observing His commandments, following His instructions, loving Him, obeying Him, succumbing to Him, merging with Him, communicating with Him - or even by defying him (the bigger the narcissist's enemy - the more grandiosely important the narcissist feels).

Like everything else in the narcissist's life, he mutates God into a kind of Inverted Narcissist. God becomes his dominant source of supply. He forms a personal relationship with this overwhelming and overpowering entity - in order to overwhelm and overpower others. He becomes God vicariously, by the proxy of his relationship with Him. He idealizes God, then devalues Him, then abuses him. This is the classic narcissistic pattern and even God himself cannot escape it.

And this:

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal65.html

In his bestselling "People of the Lie", Scott Peck claims that narcissists are evil. Are they?

The concept of "evil" in this age of moral relativism is slippery and ambiguous. The "Oxford Companion to Philosophy" (Oxford University Press, 1995) defines it thus: "The suffering which results from morally wrong human choices."

To qualify as evil a person (Moral Agent) must meet these requirements:

  1. That he can and does consciously choose between the (morally) right and wrong and constantly and consistently prefers the latter;
  2. That he acts on his choice irrespective of the consequences to himself and to others.

Clearly, evil must be premeditated. Francis Hutcheson and Joseph Butler argued that evil is a by-product of the pursuit of one's interest or cause at the expense of other people's interests or causes. But this ignores the critical element of conscious choice among equally efficacious alternatives. Moreover, people often pursue evil even when it jeopardizes their well-being and obstructs their interests. Sadomasochists even relish this orgy of mutual assured destruction.

Narcissists satisfy both conditions only partly. Their evil is utilitarian. They are evil only when being malevolent secures a certain outcome. Sometimes, they consciously choose the morally wrong �?/SPAN> but not invariably so. They act on their choice even if it inflicts misery and pain on others. But they never opt for evil if they are to bear the consequences. They act maliciously because it is expedient to do so �?/SPAN> not because it is "in their nature".

The narcissist is able to tell right from wrong and to distinguish between good and evil. In the pursuit of his interests and causes, he sometimes chooses to act wickedly. Lacking empathy, the narcissist is rarely remorseful. Because he feels entitled, exploiting others is second nature. The narcissist abuses others absent-mindedly, off-handedly, as a matter of fact.

The narcissist objectifies people and treats them as expendable commodities to be discarded after use. Admittedly, that, in itself, is evil. Yet, it is the mechanical, thoughtless, heartless face of narcissistic abuse �?/SPAN> devoid of human passions and of familiar emotions �?/SPAN> that renders it so alien, so frightful and so repellent.

We are often shocked less by the actions of narcissist than by the way he acts. In the absence of a vocabulary rich enough to capture the subtle hues and gradations of the spectrum of narcissistic depravity, we default to habitual adjectives such as "good" and "evil". Such intellectual laziness does this pernicious phenomenon and its victims little justice.

Read Ann's response: http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/evil.html

And, finally, read this:

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal27.html

Take care.

Sam


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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 25/02/2004 11:24 a.m.
Sam,
Did the N know when he started the communication up with me, when we were just beginning to know each other what it would lead to?   Did he look way down the road to the day he would be putting me through all he has?  He was always digging for information that I thought was a little strange to ask.  I asked him a few times "Why do you want to know that?"  He would reply "just nosey".  I feel he knew from the very beginning that one day he would be doing very bad things to me and he wanted any ammo he could find.  He went to the court house and read my divorce papers, called my ex-husband to see if he would want to join him in tormenting me and try to destroy my life.  Thank the Lord my ex knew he wanted no part.  My ex called me (we hadn't been on speaking terms, and he is bi-polar) he told me all the N had said and all he wanted to do to me.  My ex called him a "nut."  Boy do I know how to pick them or what! 

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 25/02/2004 2:19 p.m.
Dear Ethel,
 
As I wrote in my previous response, the narcissist rarely plans in advance the outcomes of his nefarious conduct.

But, sooner, or later, everyone around the narcissist is bound to become his victim. People are sucked �?voluntarily or involuntarily �?into the turbulence that constitutes his life, into the black hole that is his personality, into the whirlwind, which makes up his interpersonal relationships. Different people are hurt by different aspects of the narcissist's life and psychological make-up. Some trust him and rely on him, only to be bitterly disappointed. Others love him and discover that he cannot reciprocate. Yet others are forced to live vicariously, through him.

There are three major categories of victims:

Victims of the narcissist's instability �?The narcissist leads an unpredictable, vicissitudinal, precarious, often dangerous life. His ground is shifting: geographically as well as mentally. He changes addresses, workplaces, vocations, avocations, interests, friends and enemies with a bewildering speed. He baits authority and challenges it. He is, therefore, prone to conflict: to be a criminal, a rebel, a dissident, or a critic. He gets bored easily, ever trapped in cycles of idealisation and devaluation of people, places, hobbies, jobs, values. He is mercurial, unstable, and unreliable. His family suffers: his spouse and children have to wander with him in his private desert, endure the Via Dolorosa that he incessantly walks. They live in constant fear and trepidation: what next?, where next?, who next? To a lesser extent, this is the case with his friends, bosses, colleagues, or with his country. These biographical vacillations and mental oscillations deny the people around him autonomy, unperturbed development and self-fulfilment, their path to self-recognition and contentment. To the narcissist, other humans are mere instruments, Sources of Narcissistic Supply. He sees no reason to dedicate thought to their needs, wishes, wants, desires and fears. He derails their life with ease and ignorance. Deep inside he knows that he is wrong to do so because they might retaliate �?hence, his paranoid fears.

Victims of the narcissist's misleading signals �?mostly his deceitful emotional messages. The narcissist mimics real emotions artfully. He exudes the air of someone really capable of loving or of being hurt, of one passionate and soft, empathic and caring. Most people are misled into believing that he is even more human than usual. They fall in love with the mirage, the fleeting image, with the fata morgana of a lush emotional oasis in the midst of their emotional desert. They succumb to the luring proposition. They give in, give up, and give everything only to be discarded ruthlessly when judged by the narcissist to be no longer useful. Riding high on the crest of the narcissist's over-valuation only to crash into the abysmal depths of his devaluation, they lose control over their emotional life. The narcissist drains them, exhausts their resources, sucks the blood-life of Narcissistic Supply from their dwindling, depleted selves. This emotional roller coaster is so harrowing that the experience borders on the truly traumatic. To remove doubt: this behaviour pattern is not confined to matters of the heart. The narcissist's employer, for instance, is misled by his apparent seriousness, industriousness, ambition, willing to sacrifice, honesty, thoroughness and a host of other utterly fake qualities. They are fake because they are directed at securing Narcissistic Supply rather than at doing a good job. His clients and suppliers may suffer from the same illusion. And his false emanations are not restricted to messages with emotional content. They may contain wrong or false or partial information. The narcissist does not hesitate to lie, deceive, or "expose" (misleading) half-truths. He appears to be intelligent, charming and, therefore, reliable. He is a convincing conjurer of words, signs, behaviours, and body language.

The above two classes of victims are characterised by the casualness with which the narcissist exploits and then discards them. No more malice is involved in this than in any other interaction with an instrument. No more premeditation and contemplation than in breathing. These are victims of narcissistic reflexes. Perhaps this is what makes it all so repulsively horrific: the absent-minded nature of the damage inflicted.

Not so the third category. These are the victims upon which the narcissist designs, maliciously and intentionally, to shower his wrath and bad intentions. The narcissist is both sadistic and masochistic. In hurting others he always seeks to hurt himself. In punishing them he wishes to be penalised. Their pains are his. Thus, he attacks figures of authority and societal institutions with vicious, uncontrolled, almost insane rage �?only to accept his due punishment (their reaction to his venomous diatribes or antisocial actions) with incredible complacency, or even relief. He engages in vitriolic humiliation of his kin and folk, of regime and government, of his firm or of the law �?only to suffer pleasurably in the role of the outcast, the ex-communicated, the exiled, and the imprisoned. The punishment of the narcissist does little to compensate his randomly (rather incomprehensibly) selected victims. The narcissist forces individuals and groups of people around him to pay a heavy toll, materially, in reputation, and emotionally. He is ruinous, and disruptive. In behaving so, the narcissist seeks not only to be punished, but also to disengage emotionally (Emotional Involvement Preventive Measures, EIPMs). Threatened by intimacy and by the predatory cosiness of routine and mediocrity �?the narcissist lashes back at what he perceives to be the sources of this dual threat. He attacks those he thinks take him for granted, or those who fail to recognise his superiority. And they, alas, include just about everyone he knows.

But there are warning signs. Heed them and be safe:

 
 
There is a lot more about the dynamics between narcissists and their would-be spouses here:
 

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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 26/02/2004 12:40 a.m.
Sam, I have been trying to figure out what to do about getting another stalking order.  The one a have will need to be renewed in April.  I will have to go back to court and I've been told this will mean going  in front of the Judge.  The N will be notified and if he wants to try to prevent me from getting the stalking order renewed for another year he can come to court and argue his point why I shouldn't have one.  We would be there in court face to face again.  I have been trying to decide if I would be better off without the order or do I get the order?  Does a stalking order cause the N to react more towards me?  Would he go away if I didn't have the order?  Maybe it wouldn't mean so much to him if I didn't have the order in place.  Would he destroy more of my property if I didn't have the order?  He hasn't destroyed any of my property since July but he has destroyed my brothers.  I feel he was more comfortable destroying my brothers property because there is no order in place with my brother and the N.  I wonder if the criminal charges the state has filed as worried him at all.  Maybe that is why he has laid low on me. Like I said before he drives by my business every time he comes to town, just to show me my stalking order doesn't do anything to prevent it.  So my question is DO I KEEP A STALKING ORDER IN PLACE OR NOT? 

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 26/02/2004 10:45 a.m.
Dear Ethel,
 
The narcissist isn't stalking you because you do not have a stalking order in place.
 
Nor will he stop stalking you if you have an order in place.
 
His stalking is the result of internal dynamics.

Contrary to misinformed opinion, all narcissists and psychopaths maintain a stable island in their otherwise tumultuous lives. It could be a job, a mother, an ideology, an imagined lover (erotomania), a collection, a hobby, an object (car or house), or even a pet.

Stalking is about maintaining this "eye of the storm" and about possessing it. The stalker exerts control over the prey's life by intruding and, thus, by intimidating. To him, fear equals possession and possession equals "love". Being ambivalent about women, the stalker has swings between the Saint and the Whore views of womanhood.

To the sick mind of the stalker, a "no" is never a "no". It is proof that you want further contact or that you don't know what is good for you or that you want him so much that you are denying it or that it is actually a yes.

So, by all means, get a stalking order (and any other order you can lay your hands on). While it will not deter him from pursuing you - it will put you in better stead with the law (police, courts, evaluators, etc.)
 
At least - with such an order - you can get him arrested.
 
Read these:
 
 

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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 27/02/2004 3:03 a.m.
Sam, for the last year we have ignored the N.  Like I said before he stalks and harass my family and me.  He flips us all off most every time he gets the chance, and when he flips us off it is like this.  He is whole upper body and finger smashed to the front windshield of the truck. The only time he won't flip us off is  if there is someone around he would not want to see him act in that manner.  In the last month my brother has decided to smile and wave back when the N flips him off to show the N he isn't intimidated by him.  My brother believes the N will decide the fear he thought we had of him and the intimidation he used the last year is over, and the N will either go away or expose himself enough to get himself caught by the law. We have to be the ones to intimidate for a change.  My question is can we turn this around on him?  We get on the offensive instead of the defensive.

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From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 27/02/2004 11:07 a.m.
Dear Ethel,
 
You may wish to read these to learn how to cope with a narcissist:
 

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