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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·  (Original Message)Sent: 18/01/2004 8:32 p.m.
Hello All,
 
This is where we are going to be doing this week's case study. I think you all are going to like BF, she's a very sweet girl that I have been corresponding with all last week, and she's been through a tough time. I look forward to seeing how Dr. Sam helps her this week, and I think you guys will too once you get to know her. I will be making the posts for her..
 
Hugs to all,
Tammy


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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 19/01/2004 4:17 a.m.
Hi Doc Sam, I hope that you are doing well.
 
This is BF's first post:
 
Dear Dr.Sam,
 
   
 I am currently seperated from my N.I have a PFA against him(since Nov.2003) because he is on drugs and is dangerous.
 
    He tried to break in last week and is running to punish me and to avoid paying support.He has tried to kill me in the past and yes he is diagnosed as a narcissist by 3 different doctors.My dad is also diagnosed as a N .He is the sexual one. He tried to have sex with me at around 20 years of age and I have flash backs of when I was younger.I do not see him now. He tries but I do not!! My dad claimed to be taking me on a daughter outing.he took me out okay right to a spot he said he took my mom when they dated.He kept trying to hold my hand and all of this creepy stuff. I said NO! But blocked it out for 2 years from that nite on.Then when it did come out he got mad and said meanly why after all of this time?Plus he said he was drunk...Which is a lie..He tried to blackmail me to shut up about my past when I was younger and I refused to fall for it. I didnt want under him anymore.(to put it briefly)
 
 My husband fits all of the catagories on your website about the 20 traits of the Narcissist.I have been with him since I have been 15 I am 35 almost 36 now.We have a 16 year old and he has never been a dad in any sense of the word.Sad to say.I am fighting for
me and my son.I know my husband has had all of the controll of the money
a nd he wants me to hit rock bottom so that I take him back.(Fear and wanting  HIM to make it okay,which I have done before)I had a PFa against him last year for hurting our son.He went to counseling(which we have gone off and on for years before this and she quit seeing him due to him not changing)He went tochurch, and for the first time he talked quietly and wanted to reason with things.(SEEMINGLY)This he was doing with out me asking,So I was kind of touched(TRAP) and I took him back.THEN BACK HE CAME.I have been working hard on me including your info which has truelly been an eye opener.i understand things about a N but it is soo controlling and it sucks you in...
 
He is jealous of my friends, my family,our son..my free time..He used to yell at me and my mom for kissing my son when he was a baby.Plus the dog!He used to yell at me and say I loved the dog more than him.He said I payed more attention to Dr.Phil on t.v. then I did him.Or I should say as he did ..I pay more attention to him than I do My husband!I taped his shows to educate myself.i even wrote to Dr.Phil fo help.So some one would hear me and I trusted his direction.He talks  In the 3rd person."That I dont listen to my husband! So on..
 
I havent worked in 15 years..he didnt want me too.Plus i wanted to raise our son.He was soo mean ,i never let my son all of those years alone with him. he would also compareour son to his friends,downed him infront of his friends,spit in his face when he would get enraged.Our son had extreme nite mares when he was young all of time and then at an older age he slept with knives by his bed.(which I found) Then my N would make fun of him for being scared.plusss try to push him to anger so he could fight with him.This is soo insane as I write this.
 
I hate that I ever second guessed myself or my judgements sooo many times.he would lie ,manipulate,he cheated on me 3 years ago> i went back thinking he was sorry.He acted like he really wanted me.(I guess that lessoned the pain for a bit
but sucked me in)A month later he rubbed it into my face.Down to everything..i mean everything..From their sex to how
 he told he loved her. he was screaming it in my face and grinning at everyword.it was soo tramatizing.I lost a part of me that day.i couldnt talk hardly for 2/3 days.He was so evil.His awful grin.he loved every minute of it.He did that so i would feel less and would pine away trying to be better then his so called woman.I did1 I could hear all of his words and it was a nite mare. One of the hardest things to get thru.
 
I still hear his voice in my head with things. How to wipe .. how to shut the shower door , how to NOT squeeze the shampoo bottle.How to eat.How to walk. I want to be free.i have come this far.20 years are gone.
 
i had a few reasons affraid to leave.he swore I would not leave him alive.Plus when i would try to leave he would take my keys or take the phone off of the hook and follow me.The creepiness of him following
me or him being there was soo scarey.Plus i was affraid to be on my own.I have really tired to be a good mom.i have been in counseling and I read alot of stuff to better me. I had our son in counseling.I guess too I just wanted it all to go away.It was up and down. The down times I got my strength up enough to deal with the next battle.leaving was so scarey.I fell for his sob stuff. tugged at my heart. i felt needed.or something.
 
Our son for all of these years up until lately couldnt have people up. i took him places with his friends but to be here was a fright. My N
would be so demeaning
 or loud it was so embarassing.i would try to make everything okay.ALL OF TIME!! My sister has kids and if they come only 2 could come. No one stayed.Harldy.At times the kids left they were so worked up.i cried i felt so bad.It was soo sad.
 
I taught my son how to play ball and do boy things. Now i am teaching him to drive.i am glad to be here and i am close to him but I feel bad for the void.And all of his pain.We couldnt touch the walls.My grandfather was dying of cancer and there was a tornado coming and he needed a place to go. he lived in a trailor.My husband would not let him in the house because he couldnt take his shoes off.(His feet would swell) So he made him stay in the garage and he was in a wheel chair.He also stole alot of my paps pain medicine before he died.
 
My counselor deals with narcisissists and abusive men in prison she said mine takes the cake.Lucky me???
 
i want to be free! its like he controls me from a distance...Now.
.he was the top salesman for 13 years.He has all of his money hid or now used on drugs.i am trying to keep everything going.plus keep sane.he is literally running.he has missed 3 hearings and it floating. He stays in hotels with his knew drug friends.He has a cell but wont pick it up for too many. I dont call.
 
I have really tried to work on me. I made up my mind in 2002 of sept. that I was going to stop feeding my pain and
 all of this with food. I as of today have lost 62 pounds and 81 inches.he was for me sometimes but then alot he would try to break me or make fun of me.He hated i did for me.But if I didnt fight for me no one else would.
 
I have the home for now.Which he claims this is HIS house.But we live in fear. Its like a prison.The looking over the shoulder. The alarm set.So scarey.Especially since he tried to break in.We live in the woods.We stayed with my mom for 2 months and then came home for some normal t imes and we are still uprooted.Controlled from a distance.
 
He is on cocaine,free basing it.He is with women.He is a chemical and a N!
 
When we were first married and I remembered my dads abuse, i told my mom then him. He rubbed it in my face and blamed me and then did the thing for years of me not telling him for 2 years.EVEN THOUGH I REPRESSED IT.
 
He tried to rip out my vocal chords so I didnt ask him why he came home at 6 in the morning and he then said i wasnt leaving and puched me in the face.He tried to smash my head into the floor with his foot. He tired to rape me.He beat with a belt all over and said was going to teach me what my dad never did.He tried to smother
 me .he tired to throw
 me from a 2nd story building..He said to me that when he asks me to jump I am to ask how high.
 
When he came home last spring he Seemed so different.I even knew about N too. But I thought oh maybe he will be a little modified. But I did set a boundry not to go down this road again.We went on a cruise the first one or vacation ever.It was wonderful. I hate
thinking of it.it messes with my reality.Then it went down hill.In July he then went to work back to a work aholic.He was sneaking pain pills.Which he promised he wouldnt do again.He was addicted to them and alcohol and so for him to come home he wasnt to go to bars so he did the pill thing then in nov. cocaine..He wasnt coming home and then he didnt show up to work.He got fired. When my son and I came home one nite he had the house totally tore up.All of our stuff. NOT HIS!!!From the attack to the
 base ment to the garage.he Had my hair cutting mannequin heads on pulls in the windows.and booby traps as he said everywhere.Stuff everywhere. He had the windows open and was shooting fire crackers out them.He had straight pins att he back door so someone
would step on them . He would hear them I guess.BUT HE WASNT ON ANYTHING!! HYMMM...
 
INSANE!!!
Thats when I called the police.I had him comitted. he checked out 2x in 2 weeks.he kept saying that if i didnt take him back he was going to be dead and kill himself.Then I have his family who are not close wanting ME to fix it.One of his doctors trying to get me to sympathyze with him and work with my N.( I said thats a dangerous place to be)He was bragging how he was the president his support group.(my N was bragging)
 
He said I was going to see what is like to live with nothing and that he was going to punish me.That he is watching me.With this evil grin.That I think I am going to always out do him and i am not.
 
Oh yea when he left I gave him the camper. t0 be nice.He burned it down.
 
So maany loose ends...I know he would come home if I gave the okay. Like nothing has happened.Drugs make it a little harder to keep it together.But he wouldnt admit anything. Like he has been an angel.Then BOOM.The nite mare would begin.he would have to get me for all of this that "I HAVE DONE TO HIM!" No past!
 
i go to court next week.If he shows i am leary. he gets all weriod when he see's me.I know he broke in but its like the out of sight out of mind thing. I think. i dont want to trigger him.
 
I really loved him. i enjoyed loving him. I had good times and i learned things and i appreciated alot he has done. I did tell him that
too. BUT the other side is sick...and insane!!
 
 i hate feeling sad! i hate questioning the good times..I am scared of the pull. So i hate feeling that. it seemed soo real at times..When
 he cried i cried for him..I was there.I understood his own abandonment and extreme abuse. I was the only one. His family was not there.His mother is a case.His dad is dead.But was extremely abusive.I wanted to be different..but he could only be good for so long so to speak. He was incapable of anymore. Thats sad..
 
Well that some of my story!
First thanks for listening! i know its alot .I tried to skim it best I could.
 
My question to you is:
 How do I not let him control me from a distance like this anymore so that I can break free physically and emtionally?
 
Sincerely,
Brats freedom

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(2 recommendations so far) Message 3 of 16 in Discussion 
From: XtraMSN NicknamesamvakSent: 19/01/2004 5:49 p.m.
Hi, Brats Freedom,
 
It is important for you - and your counselor - to understand that you have been traumatized and that you are suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). There are tried, true, and proven therapeutic techniques to cope with this problem. You can get better!
 
Read these:
 
The Psychology of Torture (if and when the victim is NOT treated)
 
 
The phases of trauma
 
 
At the commencement of the relationship, the Narcissist is a dream-come-true. He is often intelligent, witty, charming, good looking, an achiever, empathetic, in need of love, loving, caring, attentive and much more. He is the perfect bundled answer to the nagging questions of life: finding meaning, companionship, compatibility and happiness. He is, in other words, ideal.

It is difficult to let go of this idealized figure. Relationships with narcissists inevitably and invariably end with the dawn of a double realisation. The first is that one has been (ab)used by the narcissist and the second is that one was regarded by the narcissist as a disposable, dispensable and interchangeable instrument (object).

The assimilation of this new gained knowledge is an excruciating process, often unsuccessfully completed. People get fixated at different stages. They fail to come to terms with their rejection as human beings �?the most total form of rejection there is.

We all react to loss. Loss makes us feel helpless and objectified. When our loved ones die �?we feel that Nature or God or Life treated us as playthings. When we divorce (especially if we did not initiate the break-up), we often feel that we have been exploited and abused in the relationship, that we are being "dumped", that our needs and emotions are ignored. In short, we feel objectified.

Losing the narcissist is no different to any other major loss in life. It provokes a cycle of bereavement and grief (as well as some kind of mild post traumatic stress syndrome in cases of severe abuse). This cycle has four phases: denial, rage, sadness and acceptance.

Denial can assume many forms. Some go on pretending that the narcissist is still a part of their life, even going to the extreme of "interacting" with the narcissist by pretending to "communicate" with him or to "meet" him. Others develop persecutory delusions, thus incorporating the imaginary narcissist into their lives as an ominous and dark presence. This ensures "his" continued "interest" in them �?however malevolent and threatening that "interest" is perceived to be. These are radical denial mechanisms, which border on the psychotic and often dissolve into brief psychotic micro-episodes.

More benign and transient forms of denial include the development of ideas of reference. The narcissist's every move or utterance is interpreted to be directed at the suffering person and to carry a hidden message which can be "decoded" only by the recipient. Others deny the very narcissistic nature of the narcissist attributing to him ignorance, mischief or vicious intentions. This denial mechanism leads them to believe that the narcissist is really not a narcissist but someone who is not aware of his "true" being, or someone who enjoys mind games and toying with people's lives, or part of a dark conspiracy to defraud and abuse gullible victims. Often the narcissist is depicted as obsessed or possessed �?imprisoned by his "invented" condition and, really, a nice and gentle and lovable person. At the healthier end of the spectrum of denial reactions is the classical denial of loss �?the disbelief, the hope that the narcissist may return, the suspension and repression of all information to the contrary.

Denial in mentally healthy people quickly evolves into rage. There are a few types of rage. It can be focussed and directed at the narcissist, at other facilitators of the loss, such as the narcissist's lover, or at specific circumstances. It can be directed at oneself �?which often leads to depression, suicidal ideation, self-mutilation and, in some cases, suicide. Or, it can be diffuse, all-pervasive, all-encompassing and engulfing. Such loss-related rage can be intense and in bursts or osmotic and permeate the whole emotional landscape.

Rage gives place to sadness. It is the sadness of the trapped animal, an existential angst mixed with acute depression. It involves dysphoria (inability to rejoice, to be optimistic, or expectant) and anhedonia (inability to enjoy, to experience pleasure, or to find meaning in life). It is a paralysing sensation, which slows one down and enshrouds everything in the grey veil of randomness. It all looks meaningless and empty.

This, in turn, gives place to gradual acceptance and renewed activity. The narcissist is gone both physically and mentally. The void left in his wake still hurts and pangs of regret and hope still exist. But, on the whole, the narcissist is transformed into a narrative, a symbol, another life experience, a truism and a (tedious) cliché. He is no longer omni-present and the person entertains no delusions as to the one-sided and abusive nature of the relationship or as to the possibility and desirability of its renewal.

Be strong and heal.

Sam


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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 20/01/2004 2:19 a.m.
Hi Doc, Here's BF's next question for you:
 
Dear Dr.Sam,
 
I hope to find you well!
 
I go to my counselor next week I will bring it up what you have suggested!
 
Thanks for the information.I remember my counselor saying about PTSD and my son.Sad how things effect people. Even myself. I have been pretty strong through this so far. At times when i have a sunk in feeling due to thinking about everything dumped on me.plus how there are so many loose ends.My anneversary is in march but i always went shopping now .Since there is all of this love stuff. i enjoyed it. I guess i miss the fun of things I did. I then try to readjust my thinking to clear up the feelings and say I will be okay. I will be fine. I loved and I am who i am.Then i dance around the living room or i go exercise.
 
Since I have written all of this I have noticed I want to eat. I have been good but I recognize it.Its just sad.I do not want to split and block out the reality.(ABUSE)But I dont want to live in it either with him or with out him.I AM ANGRY.But I know under that is either hurt , fear or frustration or saddness.I know I have to work thru it.
 
I worry that my son will either be dependant too. He seems be looking to fill up a hole.I think its hard being young not to take what his N dad says personally.Plus the void of not having an intune father has its scars.He has no contact too for 18 months.
 
In my life I am scared . My husband has been there from when I was a kid. But i like being strong and doing things. I try to find the positve.I have some goals but I still feel kinda stuck due to not working. i dont want to play the victim so to speak and not take responsibity for me. But when I was reading your material I cried. I put my situation onto someone else for a moment and i thought how could anyone live thru this.Where did i put it? i repressed it.I ate it away.I at times wanted to die.I do not want that anymore.Keeps me stuck and i dont grow.I guess too I feel guilty needing him all of that t ime.Not fair to him, even though I tried to give back.I guess i was looking for a dad or someone to be strong for me against my dad..I see that.
 
Its so nice not to hear his 50 questions everyday. he interigated me and my son everyday. about almost everything. I guess maybe I miss having someone to love.Sounds weriod but that came to mind.I guess that goes with my codependance.I know i need to be whole person to find a whole person. I dont want to fix anymore even though thats my tendency.
 
I guess a big thing in mind is I say to myself is:How can all of the good times and the love notes or the cuddling seem so real..I read a note in my car  I found today about me being his best friend.I guess when I get to the point when it totally sinks in this is a game and N are good actors then I will be better some. My brain knows it but my heart still messes with that.I will dwell in that for a bit.
 
i at times feel so strong. I hate when I feel sad (which i am telling myself something) I hate when i miss the good times. I question how real and its sad.I want to be strong for my son so he has a good role model.Not this dependant soul who is scared.I feel like a child in that mode.I like the strength part.
 
I guess my question for you now is:
How do i put this narcissism on a kids level (in what I say or do)so that he can understand and not be dependant or doomed by all he has lived with?
 
Thanks for all of your help! Means more than you will ever know!
 
Sincerely,
Brats freedom

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 20/01/2004 9:34 p.m.

DR. VAKNIN'S RESPONE: - POSTED HERE ON HIS BEHALF

Dear Brats Freedom,

You are a survivor. You are good at surviving.
 
Your son is not a kid anymore. He is 16 years old. That's almost an adult.
 
Refer him to reliable Web sites about mental health and let him form his own opinion. Do not influence him one way or the other. Just expose him to the best the Web has to offer about Abuse and Personality Disorders.
 
I wrote these two series of articles as introduction to abuse with references to many other (scientific) sources:
 
 
 
Consider the bright side:

Your son is likely to encounter narcissists in his future. In a way, he will be better prepared to cope with them, more alert to their existence and chicanery and more desensitized to their abuse.

For this you should be grateful.

There is nothing much you can do, otherwise. Stop wasting your money, time, energy and emotional resources on this intractable "problem" of how to insulate your son from his father's influence. It is a lost war, though a just cause. Instead, make yourself available to your son.

The only thing you can do to prevent your son from emulating his father - is to present to him another role model of a NON-narcissist - YOU. Hopefully, when he grows up, he will prefer your model to his father's. But there is only that much you can do. You cannot control the developmental path of your son. Exerting unlimited control over your son is what narcissism is all about - and is exactly what you should avoid at all costs, however worried you might be.

Narcissism does tend to breed Narcissism - but not inevitably. Not all the off-spring of a narcissist inexorably become narcissists.

The Narcissistic parent regards his or her child as a multi-faceted source of Narcissistic supply. The child is considered and treated as an extension of the Narcissist's personality. It is through the child that the Narcissist seeks to settle "open accounts" with the world. The child is supposed to materialize the unfulfilled Narcissistic dreams and fantasies of the Narcissistic parent. This "Life by Proxy" can develop in two possible ways: the Narcissist can either merge with his child or be ambivalent towards him. The ambivalence is the result of a conflict between the attainment of Narcissistic goals and pathological (destructive) envy.

To ameliorate the unease bred by emotional ambivalence, the Narcissist resorts to a myriad of control mechanisms. The latter can be grouped into: guilt-driven ("I sacrificed my life for you�?), dependence-driven ("I need you, I cannot cope without you�?), goal-driven ("We have a common goal which we must achieve") and explicit ("If you do not adhere to my principles, beliefs, ideology, religion or any other set of values �?sanctions will be imposed").

The exercise of control helps to sustain the illusion that the child is a part of the Narcissist. Such sustenance calls for extraordinary levels of control (on the part of the parent) and obedience (on the part of the child). The relationship is typically symbiotic and emotionally vicissitudinal and turbulent.

The child fulfils another important Narcissistic function �?that of Narcissistic supply. There is no denying the implied (though imaginary) immortality in having a child. The early (natural) dependence of the child serves to assuage the fear of abandonment, which is THE driving force in the Narcissist's life. The Narcissist tries to perpetuate this dependence, using the aforementioned control mechanisms. The child is the penultimate Secondary Narcissistic Source of Supply. He is present, he admires, he accumulates and remembers, owing to his wish to be loved he can be extorted into forever giving. For the Narcissist, a child is a dream come true, but only in the most egotistical sense. When the child is perceived as "reneging" on his chief duty (to provide his Narcissistic parent with constant supply of adoration) �?the emotional reaction is harsh and revealing.

It is when the Narcissistic parent is disenchanted with his child that we see the true nature of this pathological relationship. The child is totally objectified. The Narcissist reacts to a breach in the unwritten contract with wells of aggression and aggressive transformations: contempt, rage, emotional and psychological abuse, and even physical violence. He tries to annihilate the real child (brought to the Narcissist's awareness through the child's refusal to act as before) and substitute it with the subservient, edifying, former version.

The Narcissistic parent tends to produce another Narcissist in his child. But this outcome can be effectively countered by loving, empathic, predictable, just, and positive upbringing which encourages a sense of autonomy and responsibility. Provide your child with an alternative to his father's venomous and exploitative existence. Trust your son to choose life over death, love over narcissism, human relations over narcissistic supply.

Maybe we should discuss next some coping skills in the AFTERMATH. How to survive AFTER the narcissist is gone - the pain, the anger, the fears, the hopes...

Let me know.

You are doing the right thing.

Sam

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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 20/01/2004 11:46 p.m.
Hey Doc,
 
Here is BF's next question:
 
Dear Dr. Sam,
 
   Thanks! I was thinking about what I needed to talk about next and you are suggesting exactly what came to my mind.I do not want to be stuck on things that I cannot change. I just needed some reasurrance when it came to my son.
 
Your right about the fact that he will be equipt to deal with other narcissists or situations. He has already dealt with some or picked them out that were friends .Instead of getting all hurt he was able to put it where it goes.( from what i have been trying to educate him with.) Ii do not down his dad but I try to give him an understanding.Other wise its insane even more.Going thru life thinking you are not good enough is not a healthy thing.i try to feed him postive and too look at his accomplishments. I have always had an open relationship to talk with him so he didnt stay locked up inwardly.
 
He does get a temper at times but i stand my ground as to bouindries and he recognizes things in him he wants to work on. I think its a good sign.I hope.There seems to be less rage in my son now over these few months since my N is not here.My son was even suicidal.So this is a good choice I am making not only for him but for me too.
 
My next question:
 What are the  tools to deal with the aftermath,so that I can survive the different emotions like you said( pain , anger, fear and hopes..or even guilt of staying in it)So that i dont look back or get sucked back in and I keep moving ahead ?
 
Have a good day and I appreciate you letting me pick your brain!
                                                                                   Sincerely,
                                                                                          Brats freedom!! Here's me!HA!

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 21/01/2004 7:06 p.m.

Posted for Dr. Vaknin:

 

Dear Brats Freedom,

I know you left your abuser and you have no inention of ever going back. But, just as a precaution, I have also included in my (lengthy) response advice as to how to cope with a narcissistic abuser in an ongoing relationship.

It is nearly impossible to achieve closure with a narcissist.

HURDLE #1

The main obstacle to recovery is the malignant optimism of the abused - read this:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/journal27.html

Is there a point in waiting for the narcissist to heal? Can he ever be better?

Victims have Rescue Fantasies.

"It is true that he is a chauvinistic narcissist with repulsive behaviours. But all he needs is a little love and he will be straightened out. I will rescue him from his misery and misfortune. I will give him the love that he lacked as a kid. Then his narcissism will vanish and we will live happily ever after."

It is also difficult to imagine a benign and sustained influence on the narcissist of a stable, healthy mate/spouse/partner. One of my FAQs is dedicated to this issue ("The Narcissist's Spouse / Mate / Partner").

BUT many a spouse/friend/mate/partner like to BELIEVE that �?given sufficient time and patience �?they will be the ones to release the narcissist from his wrenching bondage. They think that they can "rescue" the narcissist, shield him from his (distorted) self, as it were. The narcissist makes use of this naiveté and exploits it to his benefit. The natural protective mechanisms, which are provoked in normal people by love �?are cold bloodedly used by the narcissist to extract yet more Narcissistic Supply from his writhing victim.

HURDLE #2

The second biggest obstacle is Narcissism By Proxy. Some victims are "infected" with their partner's narcissism:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq42.html

The narcissist affects his victims by infiltrating their psyche, by penetrating their defences. Like a virus, it establishes a new genetic strain within his/her victims. It echoes through them, it talks through them, it walks through them. It is like the invasion of the body snatchers. You should be careful to separate your self from the narcissist inside you, this alien growth, this spiritual cancer that is the result of living with a narcissist. You should be able to tell apart your real you and the YOU assigned to you by the narcissist. To cope with him/her, the narcissist forces you to "walk on eggshells" and develop a False Self of your own. It is nothing as elaborate as his False Self �?but it is there, in you, as a result of the trauma and abuse inflicted upon you by the narcissist.

Thus, perhaps we should invent VoNPD, another mental health category �?Victims of NPD. They experience shame and anger for their past helplessness and submissiveness. They are hurt and sensitised by the harrowing experience of sharing a simulated existence with a simulated person, the narcissist. They are scarred and often suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Some of them lash out at others, offsetting their frustration with bitter aggression (a classic mechanism).

Like his disorder, the narcissist is all-pervasive. Being the victim of a narcissist is a condition no less pernicious than being a narcissist. Great efforts are required to abandon a narcissist and physical separation is only the first (and less consequential) step. One can abandon a narcissist �?but the narcissist is slow to abandon its victims. It is there, lurking, rendering existence unreal, twisting and distorting with no respite, an inner, remorseless voice, lacking in compassion and empathy for its victim. The narcissist is there in spirit long after it has vanished in the flesh. This is the real danger that the victims of the narcissist face: that they become like him, bitter, self-centred, lacking in empathy. This is the last bow of the narcissist, his curtain call, by proxy as it were.

HURDLE #3

The Neverending Story

Even the official termination of a relationship with a narcissist is not the end of the affair. The Ex "belongs" to the narcissist. She is an inseparable part of his Pathological Narcissistic Space. This possessive streak is not terminated with the physical separation. Thus, the narcissist is likely to respond with rage, seething envy, a sense of humiliation and invasion and violent-aggressive urges to an ex's new boyfriend, or new job (to her new life without him). Especially since it implies a "failure" on his part and, thus negates his grandiosity.

But there is a second scenario:

If the narcissist were to firmly believe (which is very rare) that the ex does not and will never represent any amount, however marginal and residual, of any kind (primary or secondary) of Narcissistic Supply �?he would remain utterly unmoved by anything she does and anyone she may choose to be with.

HURDLE #4

Moving On

To preserve one's mental health �?one must abandon the narcissist. One must move on.

Moving on is a process, not a decision or an event. First, one has to acknowledge and accept reality. It is a volcanic, shattering, agonising series of little, nibbling, thoughts and strong resistances. Once the battle is won, and harsh and painful realities are assimilated, one can move on to the learning phase.

We label. We assemble material. We gather knowledge. We compare experiences. We digest. We have insights.

Then we decide and we act. This is "to move on". Having gathered sufficient emotional sustenance, support and confidence �?we face the battlefields of our relationships, fortified and nurtured. This stage characterises those who do not mourn �?but fight; do not grieve �?but replenish their self-esteem; do not hide �?but seek; do not freeze �?but move on.

Grieving

After being betrayed and abused �?we grieve. We grieve for the image we had of the traitor and abuser �?the image that was so fleeting and so wrong. We mourn the damage he did to us. We experience the fear of never being able to love or to trust again �?and we grieve this loss. In one stroke, we lost someone we trusted and even loved, we lost our trusting and loving selves and we lost the trust and love that we felt. Can anything be worse?

The emotional process of grieving is multiphased. At first, we are dumbfounded, shocked, inert, immobile. We play dead to avoid our inner monsters. We are ossified in our pain, cast in the mould of our reticence and fears. Then we feel enraged, indignant, rebellious and hateful. Then we accept. Then we cry. And then �?some of us �?learn to forgive and to pity. And this is called healing.

ALL stages are absolutely necessary and good. It is bad NOT to rage back, not to shame those who shamed us, to deny, to pretend, to evade. But it is equally bad to get fixated on our rage like this forever. Permanent grieving is the perpetuation of our abuse by other means. By endlessly recreating our harrowing experiences, we unwillingly collaborate with our abuser to perpetuate his or her evil deeds. It is by moving on that we defeat our abuser, minimising him and his importance in our lives. It is by loving and by trusting anew that we annul that which was done to us. To forgive is never to forget. But to remember is not necessarily to re-live.

Forgiving and Forgetting

Forgiving is an important capability. It does more for the forgiver than for the forgiven. But, to my mind, it should not be a universal, indiscriminate behaviour. I think it is legitimate not to forgive sometimes. It depends, of course, on the severity or duration of what was done to you. In general, it is unwise and counter-productive, in my view, to establish "universal" and "immutable" principles in life. Life is too chaotic to succumb to rigid principles. Sentences, which start with "I never" are either not very credible or, worse, they lead to self-defeating, self-restricting and self-destructive behaviours.

Conflicts are an important and integral part of life. One should never seek them out willingly �?but when confronted with a conflict, one should not avoid it. It is through conflicts and adversity as much as through care and love that we grow.

Human relationships are dynamic. We must assess our friendships, partnerships, even marriages periodically. The past is insufficient in itself to sustain a healthy, nourishing, supportive, caring and compassionate relationship. It is a pre-condition, perhaps a necessary one �?but not a sufficient one. We must gain and regain our friendships on a daily basis. Human relationships are a constant test of allegiance and empathy.

Remaining Friends with the Narcissist

But can't we act civilised and remain on friendly terms with our narcissist ex? Never forget that narcissists (full fledged ones) are nice to others when:

  1. They want something �?Narcissistic Supply, help, support, votes, money�?They prepare the ground, manipulate you and then come out with the "small favour" they need or ask you blatantly or surreptitiously for Narcissistic Supply ("What did you think about my performance�?, "Do you think that I really deserve the Nobel Prize?").

  1. They feel threatened and they want to neuter the threat by smothering it with oozing pleasantries.

  1. They have just been infused with an overdose of Narcissistic Supply and they feel magnanimous and magnificent and ideal and perfect. To show magnanimity is a way of flaunting one's impeccable divine credentials. It is an act of grandiosity. You are an irrelevant prop in this spectacle, a mere receptacle of the narcissist's overflowing, self-contented infatuation with his False Self.

This beneficence is transient. Perpetual victims often tend to "thank God for little graces" (God being the narcissist). This is the Stockholm syndrome: hostages tend to emotionally identify with their captors rather than with the police. We are grateful to our abusers and tormentors for ceasing their hideous activities and letting us breathe for a while.

Some people say that they prefer to live with narcissists, to cater to their needs and to succumb to their whims because this is the way they have been conditioned in early childhood. It is only with narcissists that they feel alive, stimulated and excited. The world glows in Technicolor in the presence of a narcissist and decays to sepia colours in his absence.

I see nothing inherently "wrong" with that. The test is this: if a person were to constantly humiliate and abuse you verbally using Archaic Chinese �?would you have felt humiliated and abused? Probably not. Some people have been conditioned by the narcissistic Primary Objects in their lives (parents or caregivers) to treat narcissistic abuse as Archaic Chinese, to turn a deaf ear. This technique is effective in that it allows the inverted narcissist (the narcissist's willing mate) to experience only the good aspects of living with a narcissist: his sparkling intelligence, the constant drama and excitement, the lack of intimacy and emotional attachment (some people prefer this). Every now and then the narcissist breaks into abuse in Archaic Chinese, so what, who understands Archaic Chinese anyway?

I have only one nagging doubt, though:

If the relationship with a narcissist is so rewarding, why are inverted narcissists so unhappy, so ego-dystonic, so in need of help (professional or otherwise)? Aren't they victims who simply experience the Stockholm syndrome (=identifying with the kidnapper rather than with the Police)?

Read more about ways to cope with a narcissistic abuser in this series of articles:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abusefamily.html

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Remember that abuse is a multifaceted phenomenon. It is a poisonous cocktail of control-freakery, conforming to social and cultural norms, and latent sadism. The abuser seeks to subjugate his victims and "look good" or "save face" in front of family and peers. Many abusers also enjoy inflicting pain on helpless victims.

But, even assuming that you want to stay with your abuser and to maintain the relationship, maltreatment can, to some extent, be avoided.

I. The Submissive Posture

Abusers react to the slightest provocation �?/SPAN> real or imagined �?/SPAN> with disproportionate wrath and, often, violence. It is important, therefore, never to openly and repeatedly disagree with your abuser or contradict him. If you do �?/SPAN> your abuser is bound to walk away, but only after he has vilified and harmed you in every way he can.

Abusers feel threatened by real sharing and common decision-making. Never offer your abuser any intimacy �?/SPAN> it is a sure way to turn him off and his aggression on. Abusers perceive intimacy as the prelude to manipulation ("What is she getting at? What does she really want? What is her hidden agenda?").

Abusers are narcissistic �?/SPAN> so admire and adore them openly. But do not lie or exaggerate �?/SPAN> this will be perceived as cunning and will provoke your abuser to feats of paranoia and jealousy. Look awed by whatever matters to him (for instance: by his professional achievements or by his good looks, or even by his success with other women).

The abuser tries to transform his personal space into the exact opposite of his real life. At home, he is the master of a fantasy of perfection and harmony and the undisputed recipient of adulation and obeisance. Any reminder that, in reality, his life is a drab dead end, that he is a failure, or a tyrant, or a swindler, or a wannabe, sometimes hated by his own oppressed family �?/SPAN> is likely to be met with unbridled hostility.

Never remind him of life out there and if you do, connect it somehow to his sense of grandiosity. Reassure him of the permanence of your obedient and self-sacrificial love for him. Do not make any comment, which might directly or indirectly impinge on his self-image, omnipotence, judgment, omniscience, skills, capabilities, professional record, or even omnipresence.

Listen attentively to his words and never disagree, or contradict him or offer your point of view. You are there to witness the abuser's train of thought �?/SPAN> not to derail it with reminders of your separate existence. Be saintly patient and accommodating and endlessly giving with nothing in return. Never let your energy be depleted or your guard down.

Your abuser is likely to be provoked to extremes by signs of your personal autonomy. Conceal your thoughts and plans, make no overt choices and express no preferences, never mention your emotions, needs, earnings, wages, profits, or trust money. Tell him how much you rely on him to reach the right decisions for both of you. Play dumb - but not too dumb, or it may be provoke his suspicions. It is a thin line between pleasing the abuser and rendering him a raving paranoid.

Never give your abuser cause to doubt or suspect you. Surrender all control to him, deny yourself access to property and funds, don't socialize, drop all your friends and hobbies, quit your job and your studies, and confine yourself to your abode. Your abuser is bound to be virulently jealous and suspect illicit liaisons between you and the least likely persons, your family included. He envies the attention you give to others, even to your common children. Place him on a pedestal and make sure he notices how you ignore, spurn, and neglect everyone else.

To your abuser, you are an object, no matter how ostensibly revered and cherished. Hence the battering. He monopolizes your time and your mind. He makes for you even the minutest choices: what to wear, what to cook for dinner, when to go out and with whom. In extreme cases, he regards even your body as his to share with others, if he sees fit.

It is an onerous existence, consistently tiptoeing on eggshells. Neither is it invariably successful. The submissive posture delays the more egregious manifestations of abuse but cannot prevent them altogether. Choosing to live with an abuser is like opting to share a cage with a predator. No matter how domesticated, Nature is bound to prevail. You are more likely than not to end up as the abuser's next meal.

Unless, that is, you adopt the Conflictive Posture.

II. The Conflictive Posture

Contrary to its name, the conflictive posture is actually about avoiding conflict by minimizing contact and insisting on boundaries. It is about refusal to accept abusive behavior by demanding reasonably predictable and rational actions and reactions. It is about respect for you and for your predilections, preferences, emotions, needs, and priorities.

A healthy relationship requires justice and proportionality. Reject or ignore unjust and capricious behavior. Conflicts are inevitable even in the most loving and mature bonds �?/SPAN> but the rules of engagement are different in an abusive liaison. There, you must react in kind and let him taste some of his own medicine.

Abusers are predators, attuned to the subtlest emotional cues of their prey. Never show your abuser that you are afraid or that you are less than resolute. The willingness to negotiate is perceived as a weakness by bullies. Violent offenders are insatiable. Do not succumb to blackmail or emotional extortion �?/SPAN> once you start compromising, you won't see the end of it.

The abuser creates a "shared psychosis" (follies-a-deux) with his victim, an overwhelming feeling of "the two of us against the whole world". Don't buy into it. Feel free to threaten him (with legal measures), to disengage if things get rough- or to involve law enforcement officers, friends, neighbours, and colleagues.

Here are a few counterintuitive guidelines:

The abused feel ashamed, somehow responsible, guilty, and blameworthy for their maltreatment. The abuser is adept at instilling these erroneous notions in his victims ("Look what you made me do!"). So, above all, do not keep your abuse a secret. Secrecy is the abuser's weapon. Share your story with friends, colleagues, neighbors, social workers, the police, the media, your minister, and anyone else who will listen.

Don't make excuses for him. Don't try to understand him. Do not empathize with him - he, surely, does not empathize with you. He has no mercy on you �?/SPAN> you, in return, do not harbor misplaced pity for him. Never give him a second chance. React with your full arsenal to the first transgression. Teach him a lesson he is unlikely to forget. Make him go elsewhere for his sadistic pursuits or to offload his frustrations.

Often the abuser's proxies are unaware of their role. Expose him. Inform them. Demonstrate to them how they are being abused, misused, and plain used by the abuser. Trap your abuser. Treat him as he treats you. Involve others. Bring it into the open. Nothing like sunshine to disinfest abuse.

There are a few techniques which work wonders with abusers. Some psychologists recommend to treat repeat offenders as one would toddlers. The abuser is, indeed, an immature brat �?/SPAN> though a dangerous one, endowed as he is with the privileges and capabilities of an adult. Sometimes ignoring his temper tantrums until it is over is a wise policy. But not very often �?/SPAN> and, definitely not as a rule.

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How to cope with your abuser?

Sometimes it looks hopeless. Abusers are ruthless, immoral, sadistic, calculated, cunning, persuasive, deceitful - in short, they appear to be invincible. They easily sway the system in their favor.

Here is a list of escalating countermeasures. They represent the distilled experience of thousands of victims of abuse. They may help you cope with abuse and overcome it.

Not included are legal or medical steps. Consult an attorney, an accountant, a therapist, or a psychiatrist, where appropriate.

First, you must decide:

Do you want to stay with him - or terminate the relationship?

1. I want to Stay with Him

FIVE DON'T DO'S �?/SPAN> How to Avoid the Wrath of the Narcissist 

  • Never disagree with the narcissist or contradict him;
  • Never offer him any intimacy;
  • Look awed by whatever attribute matters to him (for instance: by his professional achievements or by his good looks, or by his success with women and so on);
  • Never remind him of life out there and if you do, connect it somehow to his sense of grandiosity;
  • Do not make any comment, which might directly or indirectly impinge on his self-image, omnipotence, judgment, omniscience, skills, capabilities, professional record, or even omnipresence.

The TEN DO'S �?/SPAN> How to Make your Narcissist Dependent on You If you INSIST on Staying with Him 

  • Listen attentively to everything the narcissist says and agree with it all. Don't believe a word of it but let it slide as if everything is just fine, business as usual.
  • Personally offer something absolutely unique to the narcissist which they cannot obtain anywhere else. Also be prepared to line up future Sources of Primary Narcissistic Supply for your narcissist because you will not be IT for very long, if at all. If you take over the procuring function for the narcissist, they become that much more dependent on you.
  • Be endlessly patient and go way out of your way to be accommodating, thus keeping the narcissistic supply flowing liberally, and keeping the peace.
  • Be endlessly giving. This one may not be attractive to you, but it is a take it or leave it proposition.
  • Be absolutely emotionally and financially independent of the narcissist. Take what you need: the excitement and engulfment and refuse to get upset or hurt when the narcissist does or says something dumb, rude, or insensitive. Yelling back works really well but should be reserved for special occasions when you fear your narcissist may be on the verge of leaving you; the silent treatment is better as an ordinary response, but it must be carried out without any emotional content, more with the air of boredom and "I'll talk to you later, when I am good and ready, and when you are behaving in a more reasonable fashion". Treat your narcissist as you would a child.
  • If your narcissist is cerebral and not interested in having much sex �?/SPAN> then give yourself ample permission to have "hidden" sex with other people. Your cerebral narcissist will not be indifferent to infidelity so discretion and secrecy is of paramount importance.
  • If your narcissist is somatic and you don't mind, join in on group sex encounters but make sure that you choose properly for your narcissist. If you do mind �?/SPAN> leave him. Somatic narcissists are sex addicts and incurably unfaithful.
  • If you are a "fixer", then focus on fixing situations, preferably before they become "situations". Don't for one moment delude yourself that you can fix the narcissist �?/SPAN> it simply will not happen.
  • If there is any fixing that can be done, it is to help your narcissist become aware of their condition, with no negative implications or accusations in the process at all. It is like living with a physically handicapped person and being able to discuss, calmly, unemotionally, what the limitations and benefits of the handicap are and how the two of you can work with these factors, rather than trying to change them.
  • Finally, and most important of all: Know Yourself.
    What are you getting from the relationship? Are you actually a masochist? A codependent? Why is this relationship attractive and interesting?
    Define for yourself what good and beneficial things you believe you are receiving in this relationship.
    Define the things that you find harmful to you. Develop strategies to minimize the harm to yourself.  Don't expect that you will cognitively be able to reason with the narcissist to change who he is. You may have some limited success in getting your narcissist to tone down on the really harmful behaviors that affect you �?/SPAN> but this can only be accomplished in a very trusting, frank and open relationship.

(1a) Insist on Your Boundaries �?/SPAN> Resist Abuse

  • Refuse to accept abusive behavior. Demand reasonably predictable and rational actions and reactions. Insist on respect for your boundaries, predilections, preferences, and priorities.

  • Demand a just and proportional treatment. Reject or ignore unjust and capricious behavior.

  • If you are up to the inevitable confrontation, react in kind. Let him taste some of his own medicine.

  • Never show your abuser that you are afraid of him. Do not negotiate with bullies. They are insatiable. Do not succumb to blackmail.

  • If things get rough- disengage, involve law enforcement officers, friends and colleagues, or threaten him (legally).

  • Do not keep your abuse a secret. Secrecy is the abuser's weapon.

  • Never give him a second chance. React with your full arsenal to the first transgression.

  • Be guarded. Don't be too forthcoming in a first or casual meeting. Gather intelligence.

  • Be yourself. Don't misrepresent your wishes, boundaries, preferences, priorities, and red lines.

  • Do not behave inconsistently. Do not go back on your word. Be firm and resolute.

  • Stay away from such quagmires. Scrutinize every offer and suggestion, no matter how innocuous.

  • Prepare backup plans. Keep others informed of your whereabouts and appraised of your situation.

  • Be vigilant and doubting. Do not be gullible and suggestible. Better safe than sorry.

  • Often the abuser's proxies are unaware of their role. Expose him. Inform them. Demonstrate to them how they are being abused, misused, and plain used by the abuser.

  • Trap your abuser. Treat him as he treats you. Involve others. Bring it into the open. Nothing like sunshine to disinfest abuse.

(1b) Mirror His Behavior

Mirror the narcissist’s actions and repeat his words.

If, for instance, he is having a rage attack �?rage back. If he threatens �?threaten back and credibly try to use the same language and content. If he leaves the house �?leave it as well, disappear on him. If he is suspicious �?act suspicious. Be critical, denigrating, humiliating, go down to his level.

(1c) Frighten Him

Identify the vulnerabilities and susceptibilities of the narcissist and strike repeated, escalating blows at them.

If a narcissist has a secret or something he wishes to conceal �?use your knowledge of it to threaten him. Drop cryptic hints that there are mysterious witnesses to the events and recently revealed evidence. Do it cleverly, noncommittally, gradually, in an escalating manner.

Let his imagination do the rest. You don't have to do much except utter a vague reference, make an ominous allusion, delineate a possible turn of events.

Needless to add that all these activities have to be pursued legally, preferably through the good services of law offices and in broad daylight. If done in the wrong way �?they might constitute extortion or blackmail, harassment and a host of other criminal offences.

(1d) Lure Him

Offer him continued Narcissistic Supply. You can make a narcissist do anything by offering, withholding, or threatening to withhold Narcissistic Supply (adulation, admiration, attention, sex, awe, subservience, etc.).

(1e) Play on His Fear of Abandonment

If nothing else works, explicitly threaten to abandon him.

You can condition the threat ("If you don't do something or if you do it �?I will desert you").

The narcissists perceives the following as threats of abandonment, even if they are not meant as such:

  • Confrontation, fundamental disagreement, and protracted criticism
  • When completely ignored
  • When you insist on respect for your boundaries, needs, emotions, choices, preferences
  • When you retaliate (for instance, shout back at him).

2. I can't Take It Any Longer - I Have Decided to Leave Him

(2a) Fight Him in Court

Here are a few of the things the narcissist finds devastating, especially in a court of law, for instance during a deposition:

  • Any statement or fact, which seems to contradict his inflated perception of his grandiose self. Any criticism, disagreement, exposure of fake achievements, belittling of "talents and skills" which the narcissist fantasizes that he possesses, any hint that he is subordinated, subjugated, controlled, owned or dependent upon a third party. Any description of the narcissist as average and common, indistinguishable from many others. Any hint that the narcissist is weak, needy, dependent, deficient, slow, not intelligent, naive, gullible, susceptible, not in the know, manipulated, a victim.
  • The narcissist is likely to react with rage to all these and, in an effort to re-establish his fantastic grandiosity, he is likely to expose facts and stratagems he had no conscious intention of exposing.
  • The narcissist reacts with narcissistic rage, hatred, aggression, or violence to an infringement of what he perceives to be his entitlement. Any insinuation, hint, intimation, or direct declaration that the narcissist is not special at all, that he is average, common, not even sufficiently idiosyncratic to warrant a fleeting interest will inflame the narcissist.
  • Tell the narcissist that he does not deserve the best treatment, that his needs are not everyone's priority, that he is boring, that his needs can be catered to by an average practitioner (medical doctor, accountant, lawyer, psychiatrist), that he and his motives are transparent and can be easily gauged, that he will do what he is told, that his temper tantrums will not be tolerated, that no special concessions will be made to accommodate his inflated sense of self, that he is subject to court procedures, etc. �?/SPAN> and the narcissist will lose control.
  • Contradict, expose, humiliate, and berate the narcissist ("You are not as intelligent as you think you are", "Who is really behind all this? It takes sophistication which you don't seem to have", "So, you have no formal education", "you are (mistake his age, make him much older) ... sorry, you are ... old", "What did you do in your life? Did you study? Do you have a degree? Did you ever establish or run a business? Would you define yourself as a success?", "Would your children share your view that you are a good father?", "You were last seen with a Ms. ... who is (suppressed grin) a cleaning lady (in demeaning disbelief)".
  • Be equipped with absolutely unequivocal, first rate, thoroughly authenticated and vouched for information.

(2b) If You Have Common Children

I described in "The Guilt of the Abused - Pathologizing the Victim" how the system is biased and titled against the victim.

Regrettably, mental health professionals and practitioners ï¿½?/SPAN> marital and couple therapists, counselors �?/SPAN> are conditioned, by years of indoctrinating and dogmatic education, to respond favorably to specific verbal cues.

The paradigm is that abuse is rarely one sided �?/SPAN> in other words, that it is invariably "triggered" either by the victim or by the mental health problems of the abuser. Another common lie is that all mental health problems can be successfully treated one way (talk therapy) or another (medication).

This shifts the responsibility from the offender to his prey. The abused must have done something to bring about their own maltreatment  �?/SPAN> or simply were emotionally "unavailable" to help the abuser with his problems. Healing is guaranteed if only the victim were willing to participate in a treatment plan and communicate with the abuser. So goes the orthodoxy.

Refusal to do so �?/SPAN> in other words, refusal to risk further abuse �?/SPAN> is harshly judged by the therapist. The victim is labeled uncooperative, resistant, or even abusive!

The key is, therefore, feigned acquiescence and collaboration with the therapist's scheme, acceptance of his/her interpretation of the events, and the use of key phrases such as: "I wish to communicate/work with (the abuser)", "trauma", "relationship", "healing process", "inner child", "the good of the children", "the importance of fathering", "significant other" and other psycho-babble. Learn the jargon, use it intelligently and you are bound to win the therapist's sympathy.

Above all �?/SPAN> do not be assertive, or aggressive and do not overtly criticize the therapist or disagree with him/her.

I make the therapist sound like yet another potential abuser �?/SPAN> because in many cases, he/she becomes one as they inadvertently collude with the abuser, invalidate the abuse experiences, and pathologize the victim.

(2c) Refuse All Contact

  • Be sure to maintain as much contact with your abuser as the courts, counsellors, mediators, guardians, or law enforcement officials mandate.
  • Do NOT contravene the decisions of the system. Work from the inside to change judgments, evaluations, or rulings �?/SPAN> but NEVER rebel against them or ignore them. You will only turn the system against you and your interests.
  • But with the exception of the minimum mandated by the courts �?/SPAN> decline any and all gratuitous contact with the narcissist.
  • Do not respond to his pleading, romantic, nostalgic, flattering, or threatening e-mail messages.
  • Return all gifts he sends you.
  • Refuse him entry to your premises. Do not even respond to the intercom.
  • Do not talk to him on the phone. Hang up the minute you hear his voice while making clear to him, in a single, polite but firm, sentence, that you are determined not to talk to him.
  • Do not answer his letters.
  • Do not visit him on special occasions, or in emergencies.
  • Do not respond to questions, requests, or pleas forwarded to you through third parties.
  • Disconnect from third parties whom you know are spying on you at his behest.
  • Do not discuss him with your children.
  • Do not gossip about him.
  • Do not ask him for anything, even if you are in dire need.
  • When you are forced to meet him, do not discuss your personal affairs �?/SPAN> or his.
  • Relegate any inevitable contact with him �?/SPAN> when and where possible �?/SPAN> to professionals: your lawyer, or your accountant.
Be strong and do the right thing!
 
Sam

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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 22/01/2004 3:49 a.m.
Dear Dr.Sam,
 
  Thanks for the last post was really real or i should say hit home.My counselor said to me a few times ago that a narciisist never leaves. Somehow they stay in your life.
 
i guess I just want to shut the door and MOVE ON and its not that easy..But I will survive!
 
So my guard has to be up in away I think for me not to give into my low times.like today. man I havent had one of those in a long time. not even since this happened. i was sooo sad.I usually run to him no matter how unsafe, for a "soft place to fall" I felt so alone and i had that urge..Even though its from him that i am getting all of this crap from.....i hate that in me,Puts me in a vulnerable state of mind.I used to go back when it got over whelming. i guess my fix so to speak. I recognize it but its still hard.
 
I like when i feel all strong and not like I was today. i called my counselor she was out of town so wrote to the support post and i tried to keep busy.Its the fight of my life and i hate it.I try to write and even write poems. i wrote a company to make a book ..well on advice as to what to do.. i want to do that even if its just one ofr me. I have few good ones. I think.HA! One is called the mind of a narcissist..I try to set goals..
 
I wasnt sure if that when i go with friends or i go do something and everything is fine and then I start where I feel like I have to leave. i just get mentally out of it. Or Like today it took all i had to take my dog out.I used to avoid stores . went into this panic thing or tunnel thing. I felt some of that.I thought maybe that had some to do with the PTSD you said about. thats why I called my counselor too.Its like i am screaming under my skin.I am fine and then boom its awful. I try to see what i am telling myself but i feel my mind shutting down at times. Its scarey...
 
I was trying to anylze me today..HA! What a job. I thought of this too.I wasnt totally happy on my marriage but i was setting goals. i didnt back down to him and I was doing things for me. For years I was locked in a trap. I regressed.lately i was doing for me and It finally felt good to get there. i was at peace with me...( I still took care of him but I didnt except his abuse)NOW.. I feel that mess hanging over my head like when he would give me $2.00 and want change. Where I was under his thumb..Now having all of this over me. i feel the same.i dont feel free anymore.i feel controlled and i dont like that. If that makes sense..I think thats why i am sad too...I finally reached a sort of freedom i worked sooo hard to get and then boom all of this.. I still have what i worked on but i dont feel free..I guess thats where the controlled by the distance comes in????...
 
In one of your writings this was described like a cancer. i so agree.i understand i have to go thru some grieving and stuff.i just hated today. I tried everything I could to think of the good or the peace i have in ways now.i just kept thinking though that i cant get ahead mentally. i really try but I feel like I am in slow motion..
 
I also thought of the one thing you sent on our thinking of the abuser instead of the police..like in the down times. how we get emeshed in that way of thinking so true..Even with the abuse of my dad which was years ago today..i did that to lesson the reality to live with it before i blocked it out.. instead of standing up a saying what I needed too i split...I have tried for years not to do that or repress...Great information! Thanks!
 Thanks for listening! I know i write alot but I needed to express me to someone that will hear me! Thanks!!!
 
My question is:
How do i find my "soft place to fall "so to speak wiith in my self to be secure and to feel safe..so that I let go of wanting a hug from him for I know that s the most dangerous thing I could want or do???

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 23/01/2004 7:37 p.m.
Posted for Sam Vaknin:
 
Dear Brats Freedom,
 
Thank you for your kind words.
 
I am afraid I do not understand your question, though.
 
We have discussed at length the aftermath of a relationship with the narcissist and how to wean yourself off the dependence on his charms.
 
If I misunderstand something, please explain it to me and I would be happy to respond.
 
Take care.
 
Sam

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From: XtraMSN NicknameBratsfreedom3Sent: 23/01/2004 10:30 p.m.
Dear Sam,
 i will try to explain yesterdays question better...let see..
I was just trying to think now beyond what I will go thru as to saddness and grief..I understand the steps you wrote to me now. So when I get past all of  those emotional things ..I guess what I need to know is what is positive steps can i do with in me to be strong and like to be secure.. i used to run to my husband and I need to rely on me?I hope this makes sense...I dont want to run to another Narcissist or my husband when i am on my low levels..How do i build my self Image or self confidence and pull on my strength instead of running to him like a child who is insecure??
 
 
Thanks..Brat

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From: XtraMSN NicknameBratsfreedom3Sent: 23/01/2004 10:44 p.m.
Dear Sam,
 
Here is my question for today..Tammy is out and wrote for me to send it to you directly..Instead of thru her since she had surgery today..i hope i am doing this right!
 
i hope thats okay. I was waiting to hear from you from yesterdays but I was affraid i would miss getting one in..So here's my next question..
 
I got to court next week and I am not sure he will show and I am not sure how they (N)think..i know they hate to lose and i know you had some info i was reading the other day on saying things to take away the red carpet so to speak of their great image of themselves or to give narissist supply but what scares me with that is he will think he is coming back. Which I know your advice is soo true.. Its like candy to a baby..
what i was wondering How can i win with a Narcissist in court?
Example For him to give up his rights to things..So he can just move on and i can too and we can over this..
 
I hope all is well for you and I deeply appreciate your advice to me! Its a treasure i will keep always close to my heart. I am thankful to anyone who helps me! I treasure it like a gift!Thanks! I think this study is a great Idea and will help many!
 
Sincerely,
Brat

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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 24/01/2004 6:37 p.m.

Posted here for Sam Vaknin

Hello, Brats Freedom,
 
You seemed to have made it ...:o))
 
I am not a divorce lawyer and, therefore, cannot relate to the legal aspects of your predicament. But I can elaborate on three important elements:

I. How to cope with your narcissist throughout the prolonged process?

II. How to expose the manipulations of the narcissist in court?

III. What to expect of the narcissist as your divorce unfolds? Will he become violent?

Divorce is a life crisis �?and more so for the narcissist. The narcissist stands to lose not only his spouse but an important source of narcissistic supply. This results in narcissistic injury, rage, and an all-pervasive feelings of injustice, helplessness and paranoia.

I. How to Cope with the Narcissist

If he has a rage attack �?rage back. This will provoke in him fears of being abandoned and the resulting calm will be so total that it might seem unbelievable. Narcissists are known for these sudden tectonic shifts in mood and in behaviour patterns.

Mirror the narcissist’s actions and repeat his words. If he threatens �?threaten back and credibly try to use the same language and content. If he leaves the house �?leave it as well, disappear on him. If he is suspicious �?act suspicious. Be critical, denigrating, humiliating, go down to his level �?because that is where he permanently is. Faced with his mirror image �?the narcissist always recoils.

The other way is to abandon him and go about reconstructing your own life. Very few people deserve the kind of investment that is an absolute prerequisite to living with a narcissist. To cope with a narcissist is a full time, energy and emotion-draining job, which reduces the persons around the narcissist to insecure nervous wrecks.

II. The Narcissist in Court

How can you expose the lies of the Narcissist in a court of law? He acts so convincing!

A clear distinction has to be made between the FACTUAL pillar and the PSYCHOLOGICAL pillar of any cross-examination or deposition of a narcissist.

It is essential to be equipped with absolutely unequivocal, first rate, thoroughly authenticated and vouched for information. The reason is that narcissists are superhuman in their capacity to distort reality by offering highly "plausible" alternative scenarios, which fit most of the facts.

It is very easy to break a narcissist �?even a well-trained and prepared one.

Here are a few of the things the narcissist finds devastating:

Any statement or fact, which seems to contradict his inflated perception of his grandiose self. Any criticism, disagreement, exposure of fake achievements, belittling of "talents and skills" which the narcissist fantasizes that he possesses, any hint that he is subordinated, subjugated, controlled, owned or dependent upon a third party. Any description of the narcissist as average and common, indistinguishable from many others. Any hint that the narcissist is weak, needy, dependent, deficient, slow, not intelligent, naive, gullible, susceptible, not in the know, manipulated, a victim.

The narcissist is likely to react with rage to all these and, in an effort to re-establish his fantastic grandiosity, he is likely to expose facts and stratagems he had no conscious intention of exposing.

The narcissist reacts with narcissistic rage, hatred, aggression, or violence to an infringement of what he perceives to be his entitlement.

Narcissists believe that they are so unique and that their lives are so cosmically significant that others should defer to their needs and cater to their every whim without ado. The narcissist feels entitled to special treatment by unique individuals, over and above the regular person.

Any insinuation, hint, intimation, or direct declaration that the narcissist is not special at all, that he is average, common, not even sufficiently idiosyncratic to warrant a fleeting interest will inflame the narcissist.

Add to this a negation of the narcissist's sense of entitlement �?and the combustion is inevitable. Tell the narcissist that he does not deserve the best treatment, that his needs are not everyone's priority, that he is boring, that his needs can be catered to by an average practitioner (medical doctor, accountant, lawyer, psychiatrist), that he and his motives are transparent and can be easily gauged, that he will do what he is told, that his temper tantrums will not be tolerated, that no special concessions will be made to accommodate his inflated sense of self, that he is subject to court procedures, etc. �?and the narcissist will lose control.

The narcissist believes that he is the cleverest, far above the madding crowd. If contradicted, exposed, humiliated, berated ("You are not as intelligent as you think you are", "Who is really behind all this? It takes sophistication which you don't seem to have", "So, you have no formal education", "you are (mistake his age, make him much older) ... sorry, you are ... old", "What did you do in your life? Did you study? Do you have a degree? Did you ever establish or run a business? Would you define yourself as a success?", "Would your children share your view that you are a good father?", "You were last seen with a Ms. ... who is (suppressed grin) a DOMESTIC (in demeaning disbelief)". I know that many of these questions cannot be asked outright in a court of law. But you CAN hurl these sentences at him during the breaks, inadvertently during the examination or deposition phase, etc.

III. What to Expect

Narcissists are often vindictive and they often stalk and harass.

Basically, there are only two ways of coping with vindictive narcissists:

1. To Frighten Them

Narcissists live in a state of constant rage, repressed aggression, envy and hatred. They firmly believe that everyone is like them. As a result, they are paranoid, suspicious, scared and erratic. Frightening the narcissist is a powerful behaviour modification tool. If sufficiently deterred �?the narcissist promptly disengages, gives up everything he was fighting for and sometimes make amends.

To act effectively, one has to identify the vulnerabilities and susceptibilities of the narcissist and strike repeated, escalating blows at them �?until the narcissist lets go and vanishes.

Example:

If a narcissist is hiding a personal fact �?one should use this to threaten him. One should drop cryptic hints that there are mysterious witnesses to the events and recently revealed evidence. The narcissist has a very vivid imagination. Let his imagination do the rest.

The narcissist may have been involved in tax evasion, in malpractice, in child abuse, in infidelity �?there are so many possibilities, which offer a rich vein of attack. If done cleverly, non-committally, gradually, in an escalating manner �?the narcissist crumbles, disengages and disappears. He lowers his profile thoroughly in the hope of avoiding hurt and pain. Most narcissists have been known to disown and abandon a whole PNS (pathological narcissistic space) in response to a well-focused campaign by their victims. Thus, a narcissist may leave town, change a job, desert a field of professional interest, avoid friends and acquaintances �?only to secure a cessation of the unrelenting pressure exerted on him by his victims.

I repeat: most of the drama takes place in the paranoid mind of the narcissist. His imagination runs amok. He finds himself snarled by horrifying scenarios, pursued by the vilest "certainties". The narcissist is his own worst persecutor and prosecutor.

You don't have to do much except utter a vague reference, make an ominous allusion, delineate a possible turn of events. The narcissist will do the rest for you. He is like a little child in the dark, generating the very monsters that paralyse him with fear.

Needless to add that all these activities have to be pursued legally, preferably through the good services of law offices and in broad daylight. If done in the wrong way �?they might constitute extortion or blackmail, harassment and a host of other criminal offences.

2. To Lure Them

The other way to neutralize a vindictive narcissist is to offer him continued narcissistic supply until the war is over and won by you. Dazzled by the drug of narcissistic supply �?the narcissist immediately becomes tamed, forgets his vindictiveness and triumphantly takes over his "property" and "territory". Under the influence of narcissistic supply, the narcissist is unable to tell when he is being manipulated. He is blind, dumb and deaf to all but the song of the NS sirens. You can make a narcissist do ANYTHING by offering, withholding, or threatening to withhold narcissistic supply (adulation, admiration, attention, sex, awe, subservience, etc.).

More here:

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abuse3.html

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/journal68.html

Wish you loads of luck.

Take care.

Sam


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From: XtraMSN Nickname·TammyJo·Sent: 24/01/2004 6:53 p.m.
Dear Dr. Sam,
 
With all of this going on I have my N's familywanting me to call him and they are trying to drill My son about what i am doing.. Like am i divorcing him or his mother told my son he should be calling him. Stuff like that..
 
i wrote to her and said that i felt if she wanted to talk to my son that she needed to keep it positve and that it needed to be about him and that it wasnt his place to answer those things . That she is asking him to break the law by calling his dad and too he is dangerous being on drugs and they themselves as adults dont go around him so why should she expect my son to fix it.
 
My N's mom is a major key in this stuff as far as she abondoned my N when he was little.he stayed with his abusive.. Extremely abusive dad..then his dad died his senior year.  She isnt DIAGNOSED as an N but it is so obvious.My N has alot of her traits. She gets embarrased by all of this more then her sympathy for the situation. WHICH I UNDERSTAND WhY>> BEING Narcissistic.I also asked her last year when my N was in counseling to write a letter to him with a few things to help him.She turned on me said i had issues and i need to get over it,.To me a mother would want to just make things right.BUt we are not dealing with the norm here. So now she wants me to fix this with My N.my counselor said so she doesnt have to deal with it and too so she isnt embarrased.
 
I hate when i try to explain my side and who he is. How she has this tone like i am stupid. I have to remind my self  of the source.. but it is soo aggravating.She doesnt live close anymore.Thank god and she has never been a good grandmother. She doesnt want to bother .. its like the appearance thing.. My son cant take her.her husband is nice but comes with the package...
 
My question today is:What is the best way to handle the family members of my N..like should i cut off contact or what is the best way to talk to these ones?
 
Thanks! take care.. Brat
craziness...

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From: XtraMSN NicknameBratsfreedom3Sent: 26/01/2004 1:45 p.m.
My last post...
 
Dear Sam..
 
I noticed my last post wasnt on here yet so i am trying to put it on .
 
first thanks for everything! I hope i have been of some help too .This is a life of craziness but I can be over come it with alot  of work and your helping me has really been appreciated.Deeply!!!
 
So many things to ask ..HYMMM..Like how to deal witht he sexual abuse from my dad and his narcissism and the flash backs and his denial or how not to bring baggage into a new relationship,like when your past all of the steps you mentioned as far as the emotions..like the replacemnet stuff to build self eseteem..
 
I know the highs are a fix.They at times SEEM to be real and for a moment its SEEMS like N cared..I think you call it the drama..
 
I guess to sum it up..My last post:How after all of these years do i have a NORMAL life..that fulfilling..with out the N especially since its been all i know so to speak even though dangerous..Final healing tips i guess..
 
Thanks!
Sincerely! Brat

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